Lies to watch out for

1. Islam means "peace"

Islam (Is-lam) means submission.

Salam (Sa-lam) means peace.

**2. Allah means “the God” and Al-Lah means “the Zero” **

Allah (Al-lah) means the god.

Safira (Sa-fira) means zero.

3. Salat means “prayer” and "mercy"

Salat (Sa-lat) means prayer.

Raham (Ra-ham) means mercy.

4. Muhammah is predicted in the Sacred Scriptures

Ever notice how in the Scriptures when Jesus talks, there are certain quote marks around His works, like, for example, John 16:12-15? Those quote marks let you know He is done talking about one subject and has moved onto a new subject. Hence, you can’t take one bit of the subject Jesus is speaking about and use it, out of context, to mean something else - as, for example, what Muslims do when they take Jesus’ words out of context, under the belief that the Bible must conform to the Qur’an, to show how Muhammed was predicted in the Bible. You can, however, take one bit of Jesus’ subject and use it, with context, to mean what God means it to mean - for example, you could take “he will guide you to all truth” to mean the Spirit will lead the Christians into those truths which Jesus wants to tell His disciples, but can’t just yet, because they aren’t ready to hear it - for example, the truth of the Immaculate Conception of Mary. Now, John 16:12-15 concerns the Spirit of truth. “Spirit of truth” is a Jewish phrase for the Holy Spirit, which in turn is another a Jewish phrase for “Presence of God.” The Holy Spirit was manifested in the pillar of fire and the cloud that led the Israelites through the desert, and again the cloud that hovers over the Tabernacle. It is also the same cloud which hovers over Jesus during His Transfiguration, which happened during the Feast of Tabernacles, and it would take too long to explain the whole deal about the Messiah and the Torah. Anyway, Jesus is clearly speaking the Presence of God, the Holy Spirit; it’s not about Jews changing the words of the gospel or changing their theology to trick Muslims, because Muslims do accept this biblical verse as authentic, as they use to try to justify Muhammed, and Judaism, while it has ongoing revelation, has always believed, even before Jesus’ coming, in the Spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit, the Presence of God. The simple way you can know the Spirit of truth is the Presence of God is thus: Jews believe God is Spirit (“Spirit”) and they believe God is the Truth (“of truth”), so, in Judaism, the Spirit of truth is the Presence of God and the Presence of God is believed to be one of the attributes of God. (Let’s not get into the Trinity, shall we?) So beyond the fact that Muhammah is not an attribute of God, what else is there that tells us he isn’t predicted in this passage? Well, there’s “He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you. Everything that the Father has is mine; for this reason I told you that he will take from what is mine and declare it to you,” which is Jesus’ way of telling His disciples that the Holy Spirit belongs to Him - i.e., He is God and what the Father has, the Son also has - and He will give it to them, as promised.

“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you. Everything that the Father has is mine; for this reason I told you that he will take from what is mine and declare it to you.” (John 16:12-15)

But there are many more Spirit verses which Muslims use, for example, the prophecy of the Spirit of wisdom and knowledge that is to come. But those verses also refer to the Holy Spirit. In fact, here is almost every verse in the Bible that refers to the Presence of God:

Gen 1:2
Num 11:17
Num 11:25
Num 11:29
Num 24:2
Num 34:9
Jud 3:10
Jud 6:34
Jud 11:29
Jud 13:25
Jud 14:6
Jud 14:19
Jud 15:14
1 Sam 10:6,10
2 Sam 23:2
2 Chron 20:14-17
Jdt 16:14
Job 33:4
Wis 1:6-8
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 11:2
Isaiah 32:15
Isaiah 44:3-4
Isaiah 59:21
Isaiah 61:1
Eze 36:27
Eze 37:1
Joe 3:1-2
Mic 3:8
Zec 4:6
Matt. 12:31
Luke 11:13
Luke 12:10
Luke 12:12
John 4:24
John 14:16,26
John 14:17
John 14:26
John 15:26
John 16:7
John 16:7
John 16: 8
John 16:13-14
Acts 5:3-4,9
Acts 28:25-27
Acts 8:29;
Acts 10:19-20
Acts 11:12
Acts 13:2
Acts 15:25,28
Rom. 8:11
Rom. 8:16
Rom. 8:26
Rom. 15:30
1 Cor. 2:10
1 Cor. 3:16
1 Cor. 6:19
1 Cor. 12:4-6
1 Cor. 12:11
2 Cor. 3:6,17
2 Cor. 13:14
Eph. 4:3
Heb. 10:16
1 Peter 1:2
Rev. 22:17

excellent but you left out that allah erefers to the moon god but was later changed to mean the God of Abraham, Issac and Esau (note that it is not the God of Jacob). In addition allah akabar does not mean that god is great but that allah is greater. It was used as a slam on the Christian and Jews.

Islam means “submission” to God
Allah means “the God” of Abraham

The rest are different from Judaism and Christianity. We can focus on differences and be like a god condemning them all to hell in [our] judgment of the situation. Or we can work for peace, while retaining our Catholic identity, pray for them and for ourselves that we may be holy example. And we can defend our beliefs through a holy war if literally attacked by nuclear weapons

Working for peace will be a headbanging experience like the Israelis are doing. Peace in Islam means death, conversion or subjugation under Islamic terms for unbelievers. They do not recognize an unbeliever’s idea of peace.

I just ignore the entire theology of Islam because it is not intellectually stimulating enough to begin with. I doubt God would want faith to be that boring. Islam brought in no new ideas and just meshed existing ones together in a haphazzard way. I am happy or the peaceful nice followers of Islam, and if they get some benefit out of it great. As long as they leave me alone, and others alone I will just continue to ignore their beliefs and hold them irrelevant to life. I do not ignore radical nutcases from any religion though. Unfortunately, it’s Islam that is chock full of them.

Um, not quite. اللهsimply means “God.” It does not specify any particular deity, but is simply “God.” Islam simply means “submission.” That’s it, really.

In Christ,
Andrew

We must all watch out and guard ourselves from the sinful influences of Islam

They never influenced me. What kind of sinful influences should people watch out for? I can’t even see what motivates anyone to look into it.:shrug:

Wishful thinking, my friend. You cannot retain your Catholic identity while affirming Islam’s Allah as the God of Christianity, because Islam’s Allah does not have a son, so Jesus is only a prophet (below Muhammad, at that!), not the divine Son of God. If you do not believe in Jesus’ divinity, you can’t be Catholic.

The Allah I prostrate myself before, praised in this Arabic “tasbeha” from the Coptic Orthodox Church

I agree. Blessed are the peacemakers.

From the CCC
841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

Ohhhhhh Nooooooooo! Not the CCC841 again!!!

Sorry “dzheremi”… had to do that! :smiley:

I stand corrected on some accounts. Definitely didn’t suggest and would never suggest working for peaceful coexistence meant compromizing our Catholic identity or beliefs. Definitely wouldn’t doubt there are nutcases out there in Muslim land but there are also nutcases in anti-abortion land too. And bottom line is hate breeds hate and while we may get crucified in the process, our gospel calls us to love our enemies, not berate their religion. (I posted a similar theme in the spirituality section today; on a roll I guess with my issues :frowning: )

I know how you feel. My husband is a soldier, and I always have to keep my own thoughts in line and pray ALOT when it comes to the muslim situation. God Bless

841 strikes back! :eek:

Since Islam is mostly about you, and since Islam is as much politics as it is religious, I would think everyone would be interested. 97% of Jihad as taught in Islamic texts are violence against the unbelievers with only 3% being the inner struggle they like to tell us. Islam has a religious duty for all Muslims to wage jihad whether by pressure, force or violence. And it can be done by sword, by the tongue or with their money. It is all in their Sharia laws based on their Koran and Sunnah (sira and hadiths).

And there is this thing called taqiyya that is religiously mandated deception.

They influence your political leaders (CAIR), religious leaders (da’wa), movies and other medias (MPAC), your schools (MSA), and other organizations.

They have no problem crucifying you (they refuse to take crucifixion out from their punishments in such countries as Saudi Arabia who are the main ones pushing the radicals in our lands). And they will take your children either as slaves or rape and force them to convert to Islam.

A healthy dose of history would be a recommendation for you. Islamization has not been a peaceful process in anyone’s history contrary to what they tell us in our schools. It has been bloody.

Gee, I go to pick up my kids from school and before I could PS …all these posts!

I wanted to say that though I feel the way I wrote above, I understand that there are many Catholic martyrs right now in the middle east and a move to erradicate them from certain parts of the region, through many means. If I lived there in survival mode I would probably not be able to live up to the high ideals of our religion. Christianity was almost wiped out right in the first century via Rome. Our belief states that the gates of hell will not prevail (though they believe that too). So I do pray for peace from my acknowedged safe place here in the US. where it is easy to not hate. (My grandmother’s villiage in Czchoslovakia was wiped out. She escaped and made it to the US. She had much hate. I understand that and am not naive).

PS. I am familiar with history, by the way from the many angles it is often written.
Blessings

I’m sending your way the same thing I sent back at your “841 thread”.

:hug1: :hug3: :console:

Staffsgt7! I suddenly noticed you identify yourself as atheist! In that case, I emphasize that there are other martyrs and victims of the situation that are not Catholic. I am not sure if you are military but if you are, I salute you with utmost respect.

How about Jihad? Does it mean “striving in the way of Allah” or “Fighting for the cause of Allah?”

One could be peaceful, the other warlike.

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