[quote=UKcatholicGuy]This is perhaps the strangest thread I’ve ever come across; nonetheless, I must respond . . .
To the OP:
Did Our Lord not keep His own commandment when He was, umm, CRUCIFIED? This is specifically what He was referring to when making that statement.
Have a nice day.
Thanks for the response and for taking it further along. Your point is exactly what I was hoping someone would come to.
Your quite right, if his purpose here was redemption for all by offering his life as sacrifice, he could not find himself in such a situation, as that would obviously bring the mission to a premature conclusion.
If we allow for the Father’s involvement, then He could have set up barriers that would prevent a premature death. He could have done this by preventing randomness of events that would realize the risk of death for the sake of saving just one person,. It would be paramount to seperate events that would bring Christ and the other parties in proximity and influence. Destinies would have to be tampered with in order to ensure they are kept well apart.
If we accept this, then that leaves the conclusion that Christ was the only person where predestination was predictable in it’s true meaning, but, with the exception differing from every other man, and that is it is never to be altered.
That puts into question the normalcy of Christ's human fate while on this planet.
We are left with either....
A human Christ who is exempt from random fate, who’s course of events and influences are predestined, or pre-planned by his Father’s assurance. Only actions and events used, or do not interfere with, the purpose to meet the desired result are permitted, all others are prevented from being realized.
A human Christ as human as you or I, destined and/or susceptible to any calamity and good fortune that the random influences affecting all of us would present, subject to being the object by others for their use, *expected to perform good works instantly when the duty calls, *finding shelter in other locations when his life is in peril,etc.
Doctrine assures us it is the latter, a human Christ just like us, one who would die on the cross and *suffer just like any one of us* would. So be it. It finds no argument from us, but it still leaves us with the *latter* Christ and the Church allows that this event I post could very well take place. It also makes the statement a random event that a renegade Pharasee could let lose an arrow at Christ. In our case, now he is a microsecond from saving a child from the wheels of a chariot, the options are save one, or save all.
Thanks for the post.