Yes, babies and severely retarded people who can’t reason.
But I think that is a different discussion, because this is for those who can reason their faith.
To me, the question that the ‘faith alone’ crowd would ask, is about the same as my question. Just the semantics are different.
How many good works are needed to get into heaven?
How much contrition is needed to obtain God’s forgiveness?
How much grace is needed to get to heaven?
Who knows? Who cares? I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling, and I don’t want to do the bare minimum. In fact, the love of God should be a driving force to do all that is in your being to serve God and others.
Very, very good point, thanks for providing that for us. How many of us in our self indulgent society want to know what is the minimum I can do to get what ever, so I’ll do that and maybe just a little more and “just get by”. I have heard folks say that if we don’t have very many works as a result of our faith we won’t get a very good reward in heaven and will be in a lower mansion. What dangerous thinking! We either love and follow God through Jesus, or we don’t. Our faith is a lifelong committment, and requires effort on our part, not just intellect. God provides the grace and we must accept and act upon that grace or gift from God to our best ability. It’s just that simple. When we fail Him we seek forgivness, get back up and continue until we get to heaven where faith will become knowledge.
Although we can never know who is and isnt truly saved, the way I see more evidence is how a person acts and if it is consistent with God’s Word. Such as, are they walking the walk in church and outside of church in their community.Do they stand up for Christ or just go along with the crowd. I know many people who go to church every Sunday(almost)(prot and cath’s) and then the comments that come out of their mouths:eek: Like, abortion is ok under some circumstances, or any religion is ok, as long as I am a good person Im going to heaven/ I dont think God really sends people to hell. I guess what I may be seeing is relativism( )
When I see someone do the right thing with humility and it costs them something but they dont care because they know it made Jesus happy. I believe these can be outward signs. Also do these people exhibit Galations 5:22–26.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
There is NO WAY ON GOD’S GREEN EARTH THAT ANYONE CAN FOLLOW THESE FRUITS CONSISTENTLY Without Christ.
Sorry, dont mean to shout, but I feel very strongly about my statement. I for one find it very difficult to be gentle and can only do it when I ask God for help.
I also think that if you are fortunate enough to see someone come to Christ and then see them change over time–will prove to you that that person has Christ in them. People who knew me BC(before Christ)and still know me ask me why I am different and I tell them Christ is why I am different. AMEN!!!
It is probably easier to tell if you saw someone go through the spritual change then if you are just getting to know them and didnt know them BC.:shrug:
I would like to define it differently.
**Living Faith **is that faith which provides Claim supported with **straight passages **on every religious issue from the revealed Book it belives in, and it also provides gist of Reason also from the Revealed Book. Any faith that does not provide Claim and Reason from its Revealed Book is a Dead Faith.