London Bombings


#1

I denounce the London Bombings. Who ever did it is not Christian nor are they Catholic. They are evil.


#2

Who said it was Christians or Catholics ?

Actually they aren’t even human.


#3

and yet it is once more muslims who claim responsibility for these horrendous acts


#4

If those who committed it were “christians” they did it for political reasons, not in the name of Christ.

If they were muslims, they did it in the name of Allah.

Pio


#5

strange how the peace loving muslim community is very silent so far on this issue


#6

Next we’ll hear that the people who did this aren’t really Muslims, or they do not represent true Islam. Well guess what? I’m tired of that old line. If it’s true, then you REAL Muslims need to get off your butts and do something about it! Do something about the hatred taught in the Madrasas. Do something about the children brought up to believe that blowing yourself up and killing as many civilians as possible is an honorable thing to do. I don’t care what you do, but DO SOMETHING, because if you don’t, a reckoning will come and you will have no one to blame but yourselves! Simple statements aren’t helping nor are they even believed anymore, you need TO ACT! Quit playing the victim card and get out there and make a difference! Challenge the hate mongers if they are perverting your religion from the Mosques and Islamic schools. DO SOMETHING or no one will believe it when you say you are a peaceful religion which abhors these kinds of actions. Words won’t cut it anymore.

I won’t lie to you, your silence, or the feeble condemnations you and your Islamic organizations make are pathetic. I do not believe you. Most of the time, you are silent. That silence speaks volumes.


#7

[quote=UnworthySoul]Next we’ll hear that the people who did this aren’t really Muslims, or they do not represent true Islam. Well guess what? I’m tired of that old line. If it’s true, then you REAL Muslims need to get off your butts and do something about it! Do something about the hatred taught in the Madrasas. Do something about the children brought up to believe that blowing yourself up and killing as many civilians as possible is an honorable thing to do. I don’t care what you do, but DO SOMETHING, because if you don’t, a reckoning will come and you will have no one to blame but yourselves! Simple statements aren’t helping nor are they even believed anymore, you need TO ACT! Quit playing the victim card and get out there and make a difference! Challenge the hate mongers if they are perverting your religion from the Mosques and Islamic schools. DO SOMETHING or no one will believe it when you say you are a peaceful religion which abhors these kinds of actions. Words won’t cut it anymore.

I won’t lie to you, your silence, or the feeble condemnations you and your Islamic organizations make are pathetic. I do not believe you. Most of the time, you are silent. That silence speaks volumes.
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I concur 100%. These “radicals” are not praying in my Catholic Church.

They ARE kneeling next to you in YOUR Mosque. YOU have to root them out.

Just like Christians put and end to the KKK!!!


#8

Here is what they are saying on the Islamic board whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4155&PN=1&TPN=1

Note that the moderator admits to deleting posts as “unsuitable” by only the tenth post, meaning of course that the opinion stated there is not a consensus by any means


#9

Here is what they are saying on the Islamic board whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4155&PN=1&TPN=1

Note that the moderator admits to deleting posts as “unsuitable” by only the tenth post, meaning of course that the opinion stated there is not a consensus by any means


#10

[quote=But for Grace]Here is what they are saying on the Islamic board whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4155&PN=1&TPN=1

Note that the moderator admits to deleting posts as “unsuitable” by only the tenth post, meaning of course that the opinion stated there is not a consensus by any means
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Just wonderful. MARWAN already coming out with the conspiracy theories and Urooj agreeing.

Notice the mention of video games?

I believe most of the “Muslims” visiting this forum are very young and uninformed.


#11

[quote=cainem]strange how the peace loving muslim community is very silent so far on this issue
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Silent??! I’ve recieved like 10 emails so far from different muslim organizations denouncing this!

I’m not responsible for what another Musim does in the name of anything…especially when it is something outside the rules of Islam, like killing innocent people.

My prayers to the people who have suffered and their families. May Allah grant them patience.


#12

[quote=iamrefreshed]Just wonderful. MARWAN already coming out with the conspiracy theories and Urooj agreeing.

Notice the mention of video games?

I believe most of the “Muslims” visiting this forum are very young and uninformed.
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I believe most “catholics” on this forum are… a lot like you.

However most catholics are good people and dont make uncalled for remarks.

If you recall Alexander the great’s age when he conquered the largest empire known to man at that time…

So it isnt a factor buddy.


#13

[quote=Faith101]Silent??! I’ve recieved like 10 emails so far from different muslim organizations denouncing this!

I’m not responsible for what another Musim does in the name of anything…especially when it is something outside the rules of Islam, like killing innocent people.

My prayers to the people who have suffered and their families. May Allah grant them patience.
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I hope you remember this way of looking at things when the IRA commits any atrocity.There is a tendency to associate them with the Catholic Church.Actually,when a priest was called to see a man the IRA had been torturing he told them they were breaking God’s Law.They replied as follows,"you attend to God’s Law,we’ll attend to our law.
If you look at the other thread about the London bombings,you will find me complimenting the Muslim Council of Britain for speaking out against the atrocity.You really are gutsy when you criticize cutthroats like these guys.
My prayers are offered,not only for the victims and their families,but also for the perpetrators of this horrible crime.
Some years ago,a young police cadet was interviewed on TV here and was asked about corruption in the Police.He replied by saying
that he thought that corruption in the Police Force would reflect the level of corruption in our society.Perhaps the kind of evil we have seen in London in the last 24 hours speaks volumes about
the kind of life we have been leading.


#14

[quote=burnside]I hope you remember this way of looking at things when the IRA commits any atrocity.There is a tendency to associate them with the Catholic Church.Actually,when a priest was called to see a man the IRA had been torturing he told them they were breaking God’s Law.They replied as follows,"you attend to God’s Law,we’ll attend to our law.
If you look at the other thread about the London bombings,you will find me complimenting the Muslim Council of Britain for speaking out against the atrocity.You really are gutsy when you criticize cutthroats like these guys.
My prayers are offered,not only for the victims and their families,but also for the perpetrators of this horrible crime.
Some years ago,a young police cadet was interviewed on TV here and was asked about corruption in the Police.He replied by saying
that he thought that corruption in the Police Force would reflect the level of corruption in our society.Perhaps the kind of evil we have seen in London in the last 24 hours speaks volumes about
the kind of life we have been leading.
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thats an interesting idea… hmm…


#15

[quote=cainem]strange how the peace loving muslim community is very silent so far on this issue
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THAT is precisely what i can’t understand. why don’t peace loving muslims speak out against these atrocities??? or is it not reported by our famous media? something is seriously wrong with this picture.


#16

[quote=burnside]I hope you remember this way of looking at things when the IRA commits any atrocity.There is a tendency to associate them with the Catholic Church.Actually,when a priest was called to see a man the IRA had been torturing he told them they were breaking God’s Law.They replied as follows,"you attend to God’s Law,we’ll attend to our law…
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Excellent post. Generally, I think terror instigated by any group is viewed the same as these latest bombings. Personally, I will speak out and undertake any action I can to stop violence. Down on that list is the possibility of offending Muslims. As much as I care about them, the violence must stop first.

Jim


#17

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Originally Posted by :hlgomez If those who committed it were “christians” they did it for political reasons, not in the name of Christ.

If they were muslims, they did it in the name of Allah.
Pio

Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quran, God has said:
God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
The Prophet Muhammad used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children,1 and he would advise them: {…Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.}2 And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.}3
Also, the Prophet Muhammad has forbidden punishment with fire.4
He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,5 and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.6}7
Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad said: {A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.}8
He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so God forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet was asked, “Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?” He said: {There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}9
Additionally, while taking the life of an animal for food, Muslims are commanded to do so in a manner that causes the least amount of fright and suffering possible. The Prophet Muhammad said: {When you slaughter an animal, do so in the best way. One should sharpen his knife to reduce the suffering of the animal.}10
In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam.


#18

[quote=Eetaq]I believe most “catholics” on this forum are… a lot like you.

However most catholics are good people and dont make uncalled for remarks.

If you recall Alexander the great’s age when he conquered the largest empire known to man at that time…

So it isnt a factor buddy.
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Funny you should bring up “conquering” at a young age. Any better examples?

Age IS a factor in nearly everything. When you grow older you will realize that.


#19

[quote=burnside]I hope you remember this way of looking at things when the IRA commits any atrocity.There is a tendency to associate them with the Catholic Church.Actually,when a priest was called to see a man the IRA had been torturing he told them they were breaking God’s Law.They replied as follows,"you attend to God’s Law,we’ll attend to our law.
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Why would any one want to defend them ? Ian Paisley has more integrity. They wouldn’t know the meaning of the word if it raped them in broad daylight. They’re murderers, thieves, drug-smugglers, gun-runners, liars, traitors, assassins, and champion all-round scum. The best place for them is the business end of a noose. It’s a tragedy that the UK no longer has the death penalty - it was made for the IRA and their kind.

If you look at the other thread about the London bombings,you will find me complimenting the Muslim Council of Britain for speaking out against the atrocity.You really are gutsy when you criticize cutthroats like these guys.
My prayers are offered,not only for the victims and their families,but also for the perpetrators of this horrible crime.
Some years ago,a young police cadet was interviewed on TV here and was asked about corruption in the Police.He replied by saying that he thought that corruption in the Police Force would reflect the level of corruption in our society.Perhaps the kind of evil we have seen in London in the last 24 hours speaks volumes about
the kind of life we have been leading.

The police are almost all that stand between us and filth like Gerry Adams and his repulsive troglodytes


#20

[quote=hady].
Originally Posted by :hlgomez If those who committed it were “christians” they did it for political reasons, not in the name of Christ.

If they were muslims, they did it in the name of Allah.
Pio

Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism.
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I commit murder

You carry out an assassination
He commits terrorism.

IOW: terrorism is what one makes of it - it’s what the other fellow does, if one does not approve of what he does, or of his creed. If one’s religion forbids it, those who engage in it, far from being terrorists, are freedom-fighters, or, according to many Muslims, martyrs. So, far from being repulsive and wicked, terrorism can become an act of supreme virtue, well-pleasing to God. Evil is sanctified, and compassion for the weak & defenceless becomes an atrocious crime: because they are redefined as part of the enemy. They are therefore fair game for any bombs one may be fortunate enough to to be able to detonate in close proximity to them.

There is an ethical problem here, and not for Muslims alone - how it is to be resolved, who knows ? ##

In the Quran, God has said:
God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
The Prophet Muhammad used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children,1 and he would advise them: {…Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.}2 And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.}3
Also, the Prophet Muhammad has forbidden punishment with fire.4
He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,5 and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.6}7
Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad said: {A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.}8
He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so God forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet was asked, “Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?” He said: {There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}9
Additionally, while taking the life of an animal for food, Muslims are commanded to do so in a manner that causes the least amount of fright and suffering possible. The Prophet Muhammad said: {When you slaughter an animal, do so in the best way. One should sharpen his knife to reduce the suffering of the animal.}10

In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam.


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