I’m going to provide the details of the argument. These are largely word-word quotes, but there are a couple snips. However, this accurately represents the argument so far. It will be at least a couple posts long:
Opponent: Opening Argument:
So you think you have an immortal soul?
Another truth-destroying doctrine is the doctrine of the inherent immortality of the soul. If men are naturally immortal, and if the “ego” is a never-dying soul, why a resurrection? If, on the other hand, men are deprived of all consciousness in the death state, resurrection becomes imperative for a future life. This false doctrine concerning man’s nature is spread like a pall before the vision of all people. That dogma will vanish at… the return of Jesus Christ as the mist of the morning before the rising sun. This theological error is the great obstacle in the way of correctly dividing the word of truth. The doctrine of eternal torture also is based upon the doctrine of the immortality of the soul, while much of that which is taught in the Scripture is made of none effect because the Bible is read under the influence of this pre-conceived idea. For instance, if it be true that man is a never-dying spirit and goes to heaven at death, what necessity is there for the return of Christ?
[In response to another]: “The soul that sinneth it shall die” immortal souls can’t die.
Dave [me] : “Die” in Biblical terms, if that’s a Biblical quote you just gave, does not mean “cease to exist”. The quote you provided in the OP ignores a critical fact: we were created to have bodies. Adam and Eve, the first of God’s human creatures who were created without any stain of sin were created perfectly as God desired to create them…with physical bodies AND a soul which is spirit. So, to say that having an immortal soul negates a resurrection is a logical fallacy because it presumes that we are only in our perfect natures when we are EITHER physical OR spirit. The reality is that we are BOTH.
Opponent: A soul is not a spirit…where do you get that?
Dave: Our soul is a spirit because we are created in the image and likeness of God, Who is Spirit.
Opponent: God is a God of the living…that’s why we have to raise from the dead and put on immortality. That God is “elohim” = “angels” that we were created in the image of.
Dave: So, when Jesus is speaking with Moses during the transfiguration, even tough Moses’ body has been long buried in a tomb, the spirit of Moses (or soul, whatever you want to call it) was not alive but dead?
And, what is an angel? Is an angel “spirit” or a “physical body”? If it suggests a physical nature, please provide for me the physical properties of “spirit”. But you will still be arguing with fallacious reasoning. Christ tells us “God us spirit”, and the word “spirit” does not mean “angel”, but rather it translates “breath” in the Aramaic (or was it Greek?).
Opponent: David, that [the Transfiguration] was a vision. The image is a physical image …like perhaps a son is an image of his father but [h]e is not actually the father himself. Christ said…tell the vision to no one.
Dave: So, why do you believe that the Transfiguration did not portray a reality? Because it was a vision, that means it was not real? I would argue the contrary, that it was very real AND that this makes an even stronger argument for the immortality of the soul [spirit] BECAUSE Moses and Elijah were recognized, but not because their physical bodies, but because of their souls which appeared in that vision.
Of course we can make an exception for Elijah, because we know he was taken up into Heaven on a chariot and there is no suggestion at all in Scripture that he experienced physical death. Though, if we do that, it makes your “vision” argument even weaker because now we have both a physical person AND the soul [spirit] of Moses appearing at the same time with Christ during the Transfiguration.
Opponent: What was the lie the serpent told?
Dave: He said God wanted to restrain us from our true potential and that we could realize this true pootential by dis-obeying God. What’s that got to do with the fact that “God is spirit” and that “man is created in the image and likeness of God”?
Opponent: No…he said…thou shalt not die = immortality of the soul like you believe.