Magicians are using Quran to be close to devil.

Article: alarabiya.net/articles/2009/05/17/73053.html
Date: 17 May, 2009.
Location: Saudi Arabia.

That news article said recently The Saudi Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice did a raid in Saudi Arabia on some magicians who have put Quran in the sewers to be close to devil.

[RIGHT]نفذت هيئة الأمر بالمعروف والنهي عن المنكر في السعودية حملة مداهمة ضد سحرة ومشعوذين، قاموا بدسّ مصاحف في فتحات المجاري للتقرب من الشيطان
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My question is how on earth those magicians are using Quran to be close to devil !!!, I thought Quran is used to expel devil NOT the other way around, unless its truly not form YHWH.

:thumbsup:

"devil worshiping is in all societies. Generally they do the opposite of good’; so burning the bible or quran may seem like a good idea to them. Its got nothing to do with the “quran” personally. Its the highest tool they have to desecrate. If they had the bible they would do the same thing.
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Burning the Bible or Quran is something and using them to get closer to devil is completely something else.

what is yur problem then ?
muslims should recite or read the quran to expel devil
magician should to through the quran in the sewers to be close to devil
the equation is
devil hate the quran , devil dosn’t help whom respect and recite the quran , devil is enemy of quran
seems rational to me , what’s your objections ?

I will try and get a translation.

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Hope this works.

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After receiving the Koran, the honorable men of the cleansed with rose water, which reached number 51 a copy of the Koran was meant to increase the status of the magician to his demons in order to facilitate the work of magic and witchcraft.

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God Bless.

Chris.

Read the article carefully, the magicians are doing that to get closer to devil not to satisfy him, you know that some of those magicians “مشعوذين” are using verses of Quran and reciting Quran to summon bad spirits (aka devils) not to expel them.

Example:
[RIGHT]"رسم عليه بعض الطلاسم الخاصة بتحضير الجان وقرأ عليها بعض التعاويذ لإحضار الجان. "
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You should go to an Arabic forum to discuss this issue …it’s very confusing to the English speaking member here…

Nah no way. It’s hilarious. It’s like a magic off. They’re using the Quran to summon demons, there’s a million dollars in it over at JREF if they succeed…

can you translate it ?
it dosn’t say that he read the quran , it says that he read some of ta3aweez ( التعاويذ ) , ta3aweez means talismans or amulets

Just a tip…
Google is NOT an accurate translation tool, :rolleyes: you really need to find a more dependable source when looking for translations.
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Grace & Peace!

Just FWIW, sacred texts have been used in one way or another for magical purposes for millennia. For instance, the first chapter of the Gospel of John was believed in the middle ages to have apotropaic qualities. When recited at the end of Mass (as the last gospel), the worshiper was to kiss a crucifix or his/her thumb nail (lacking a crucifix) at the words, “and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.” Doing so would ensure protection throughout the day. I have, in my wallet, a little pocket shrine of sorts from the Apostleship of Prayer made some many years ago. Along with a number of medals (Benedict, Miraculous, Infant of Prague) and a crucifix, sewn into it is a little slip of paper with the first chapter of John’s gospel on it. Sometimes the line between pious practice and what is, for all intents and purposes, magic is very thin. Those uncomfortable with that thin line should become Puritans. Even the infamous Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of the Witches) which carried an Imprimatur and was used as the de facto official book on witch hunting made allowances for what was called a “Lawful Enchanter”. Such a person was forbidden from using prayers in languages he did not know and which were inimical to the faith if he did know the language, was forbidden to use doggerel poems which described unverifiable events in the lives of the saints or holy people in his rites, was forbidden to believe that carrying a medal or a piece of paper in and of itself could have magical or miraculous properties, and was forbidden from invoking any demonic name or spirit, even for “good” purposes.

But there is also a much more directly magical use of the Bible–the Solomonic grimoires (such as the Greater Key of Solomon) require the recitation of certain Psalms in preparation to perform the magical rite (which usually involves the evocation of a demonic spirit, often by the authority of a ruling angel which holds the demon in check). The use of the Psalms and other parts of Scripture in this context speaks to one of the underlying assumptions of many of these grimoires–that demons are the low creatures on the hierarchical totem pole and can make good servants of righteous men. In fact, most European grimoires assume that their users will be priests or religious.

I mention all this because we should not jump to any particular conclusions regarding a religious tradition if that tradition’s scriptures, rituals, or practices are used or misused by a certain group of folks whose particular beliefs do not necessarily have anything to do with the traditions they use or desecrate.

Moreover, we should not be surprised when folks treat sacred things and sacred texts as if they were actually sacred–which includes desecrating them as a paradoxical act of renunciation of their sacredness. Religion and magic are sometimes closer than we think, and they often share similar technologies. The crucial difference between them (aside from the one being public and the other private), in my humble estimation, turns on which of these two formulae is employed in any particular act of devotion, meditation, novena or prayer–“THY will be done,” or “MY will be done.” Religious devotion places great emphasis on submitting one’s own will to God’s, resting in his will. Magical thinking/devotion/practice is about accomplishing one’s own will. One could easily argue that there are many outwardly pious folks who practice their religion in completely orthodox ways, but who nonetheless practice it in order to gain some sort of reward, favor, or result. I don’t see how this is so different from magic in the final analysis.

Anyway, my two cents!

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is grace and mercy! Deo gratias!

Yeah, but I was curious to see what it meant in English.:rolleyes:

I would like to find a good dependeable source for it, I hope someone can post one up.

God Bless.

Chris.

I can think of no better place for the Coran to be.

Actually the title of this thread can be applied to those who believe the Coran.

I think the Arabic Muslims on CAF are more open for such debate, other Arabic Muslims on other forums would tell me:
Allah and his messenger know best “الله ورسوله أعلم” or (Quran 5:101) “O ye who believe! ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.” “يا أيها الذين آمنوا لا تسألوا عن أشياء إن تبد لكم تسؤكم”.

It also means Quranic verses, here is a quote by an Islamic cleric affirming that:

[RIGHT]الموقع الرسمي للشيخ عبدالله الجبرين.
سؤال: هل كتابة التعاويذ من الآيات القرآنية وغيرها وتعليقها في الرقبة شرك أو لا؟
الجواب: والنوع الثاني: ما يعلق من الآيات القرآنية والأدعية النبوية وأشباه ذلك من الدعوات الطيبة فهذا النوع اختلف فيه العلماء؛ فبعضهم أجازه وقال إنه من جنس الرقية الجائزة، وبعض أهل العلم منع ذلك وقال: إنه محرم.
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Source.

And yes Quran can be used to summon spirits, its in (Quran 13:31):
If there were a Qur-an with which mountains were moved, or the earth were cloven asunder, or the dead were made to speak, (this would be the one!) but, truly, the Command is with Allah in all things! Do not the Believers know, that, had Allah (so) willed, He could have guided all mankind (to the Right)?..

[RIGHT]وَلَوْ أَنَّ قُرْآنًا سُيِّرَتْ بِهِ الْجِبَالُ أَوْ قُطِّعَتْ بِهِ الْأَرْضُ أَوْ كُلِّمَ بِهِ الْمَوْتَى بَلْ لِلَّهِ الْأَمْرُ جَمِيعًا أَفَلَمْ يَيْأَسِ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَنْ لَوْ يَشَاءُ اللَّهُ لَهَدَى النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَلَا يَزَالُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا تُصِيبُهُمْ بِمَا صَنَعُوا قَارِعَةٌ أَوْ تَحُلُّ قَرِيبًا مِنْ دَارِهِمْ حَتَّى يَأْتِيَ وَعْدُ اللَّهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُخْلِفُ الْمِيعَادَ
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Also Ibn-Kather commentary affirms that concept:
[RIGHT]تفسير ابن كثير:
يقول تعالى مادحا للقرآن الذي أنزله على محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم ومفضلا له على سائر الكتب المنزلة قبله " ولو أن قرآنا سيرت به الجبال " أي لو كان في الكتب الماضية كتاب تسير به الجبال عن أماكنها أو تقطع به الأرض وتنشق أو تكلم به الموتى في قبورهم لكان هذا القرآن هو المتصف بذلك دون غيره أو بطريق الأولى أن يكون كذلك لما فيه من الإعجاز الذي لا يستطيع الإنسان والجن عن آخرهم إذا اجتمعوا أن يأتوا بمثله ولا بسورة من مثله ومع هذا فهؤلاء المشركون كافرون به جاحدون له " بل لله الأمر جميعا " أي مرجع الأمور كلها إلى الله عز وجل ما شاء الله كان وما لم يشأ لم يكن ومن يضلل الله فلا هادي له ومن يهد فما له من مضل وقد يطلق اسم القرآن على كل من الكتب المتقدمة لأنه مشتق من الجمع
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Also Dr. Yousef Alqaradawi affirms that:

[RIGHT]وقد استدل بعضهم على جواز استحضار الموتى بقراءة القرآن بقوله تعالى: (وَلَوْ أَنَّ قُرْآناً سُيِّرَتْ بِهِ الْجِبَالُ أَوْ قُطِّعَتْ بِهِ الأَرْضُ أَوْ كُلِّمَ بِهِ الْمَوْتَى
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Source.

However, my point is that (Holy Books) shouldn’t be used as a tool to call devil, whether placing it on the table or in the sewers, otherwise everyone on this earth would place any Holy Book in sewers and make a contact with devil. :shrug:

all what what you said have nothing to do with my objection about the meaning of ta3aweez
quran have no other meaning in arabic , quran mean quran in arabic
ta3aweez in it’s absolute meaning dosn’t mean quran
but when you say i read ta3aweez from quran , so it will mean that you used the quran

the reference you presented say nothing but ta3aweez without mentioning which knid of ta3aweez is it , but you deformed the meaning to seem as to be meaning quran , that’s not right

it’s like saying i used the book to be near to evil , but you didn’t specify it , is it book of quran or is it book of jews or is it book of black magic
you translated it to be book of quran though he didn’t say that

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