[quote=Gottle of Geer]## I’ve seen the photos in a booklet on the Zeitoun apparitions - they are terribly indistinct: at most, a white something-or-other, usually very high up. They could be anything
That’s probably they have attracted comparatively little attention. ##
With respect, I can’t agree that they are terribly indistinct. In fact, that’s to be expected, given the description of “brilliant white lights”, etc. I saw footage of the doves hovering in formation, and I also saw some kind of entity (granted, it looked more like a shrimp than a person), appearing out of nothingness and then hovering in the air.
[quote=Gottle of Geer]## Definitely - I would run a thousand miles from a religion which tried to recommend itself by claiming an exclusive copyright on the acts of God.
God is not a little God Who has to be given leave by His Church to show up when & as His Church deems fit - He is a great God, a glorious God a Sovereign God, ever-faithful and supremely free, Who acts and speaks:
*]in the measure
*]for the purpose
*]by the means
[/list]that He Wills. The CC receives good things for one reason only - that she may share them. Not to show them off as though she had some entitlement to them. She hasn’t . All we have, is for sharing - that goes with being a Church: the leg does not monopolise the blood in it - it shares it with the rest of the body.
IMO, the conversion of a single human being is worth all the apparitions and visions & so on in creation. ##
I agree, one doesn’t make God jump through hoops, but my base argument against my atheist friends, as an appeal to their logic, used to be the overwhelming, near monopoly of scientifically tested and inexplicable miracles relating to the Catholic faith alone – the Incorruptibles, the Eucharistic Miracles, Fatima, and Lourdes. I even tried to rationalize the Zeitun apparition, given that not a single word was spoken, and perhaps the Coptic Church could be seen as a middling ground between Muslims and Catholics. I was looking for something saying that the differences between the churches are cosmetic (and actually did find something, but given papal infallibility and the fact that the Copts have their own pope, I question this conclusion).
Your leg analogy should be restated like this: I’m really trying to find the right way, and show all my friends some serious evidence that the Catholic Church is the right way. If the head is the best way, then why throw not one, but two feints like that? Why make things more complicated than they already are?
In the end, I want to know what the Church has to say about this. Anyone know anything?