Marrying the non-baptized


#1

What are the consequences from the Church if you get married to a non-baptized and don't get a dispensation? Can you do this? Are you living in sin? Can you receive the Eucharist? Do you need a dispensation? Thanks.


#2

[quote="thyrodandstaff, post:1, topic:293400"]
What are the consequences from the Church if you get married to a non-baptized and don't get a dispensation?

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You are in an invalid marriage and an objective state of mortal sin.

[quote="thyrodandstaff, post:1, topic:293400"]

Can you do this?

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No. And moreover, why would you want to?

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Are you living in sin?

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Yes, objectively this is grave matter. If you do it knowingly and freely, then yes it is a mortal sin.

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Can you receive the Eucharist?

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No, not until you have resolved your invalid marriage situation and gone to confession.

[quote="thyrodandstaff, post:1, topic:293400"]

Do you need a dispensation? Thanks.

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Yes. To marry an unbaptized person, you need a dispensation from disparity of cult. You and your prospective spouse also need to attend all of the Catholic premarital preparation and counseling. And you will need to be married in the Catholic forum unless you also receive a dipsensation from form.

It is not very prudent to marry someone who does not share your faith. This is something you should discuss seriously with your priest before proceeding.


#3

[quote="1ke, post:2, topic:293400"]
It is not very prudent to marry someone who does not share your faith. This is something you should discuss seriously with your priest before proceeding.

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Yet in the early church this was common.

Saint Monica, the mother of Saint Augustine, and Saint Helen the mother of Saint Constantine are two prominent examples. There are many more.


#4

St Paul warns against it. It is not prudent, but it is possible.

As we know, marriages were often arranged for political, social, and material gain and the women had little say in the matter. St. Monica made the best of an arranged political marriage. St. Helen was not a Christian when she married. She converted after Constantine won his great battle over Maxentius. Her pagan husband long dead by then.


#5

[quote="1ke, post:2, topic:293400"]
Yes. To marry an unbaptized person, you need a dispensation from disparity of cult. You and your prospective spouse also need to attend all of the Catholic premarital preparation and counseling. And you will need to be married in the Catholic forum unless you also receive a dipsensation from form.

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what does "disparity of cult" and "from form" mean?
Thanks. This is all for somebody else by the way that has already passed on.


#6

[quote="thyrodandstaff, post:5, topic:293400"]
what does "disparity of cult" and "from form" mean?
Thanks. This is all for somebody else by the way that has already passed on.

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Dispensation from form means that the Bishop has released (dispensed) them from the obligation to marry according to canonical form (in a Catholic Church, by a priest, deacon or appointed lay person).

Dispensation for disparity of cult (or worship) means that the bishop has released them from the obligation to marry a baptized Christian. It applies whether they marry someone in the Salvation Army or a Hindu/Jew/Muslim, etc.


#7

[quote="thyrodandstaff, post:5, topic:293400"]
what does "disparity of cult" and "from form" mean?

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It means that disparity of cult (being different religions) is an impediment to a valid marriage. When one plans to marry an unbaptized person, the bishop must dispense this impediment first. To do so requires that the Catholic meet several criteria.

[quote="thyrodandstaff, post:5, topic:293400"]
This is all for somebody else by the way that has already passed on.

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This somebody else needs to make an appointment with their priest and sit down to discuss everything. Getting answers relayed off of an anonymous internet web forum is not the most reliable thing you can do.


#8

I’m a little, no, actually I’m a lot confused by ‘somebody…that has already passed on’. Do you mean the person has died? Is this the widow/widower asking?


#9

The two examples you give were women. In those days women had very little say over who they married. As I often say on this forum, regarding mixed marraiges, from my experience and the experiences that others have shared, it’s your life but I would advise you to JUST DON’T DO IT.


#10

[quote="1ke, post:7, topic:293400"]
It means that disparity of cult (being different religions) is an impediment to a valid marriage. When one plans to marry an unbaptized person, the bishop must dispense this impediment first. To do so requires that the Catholic meet several criteria.

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What are the criteria? That you have to promise to raise the kids Catholic?


#11

[quote="thyrodandstaff, post:10, topic:293400"]
What are the criteria? That you have to promise to raise the kids Catholic?

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The Catholic must give good indication that he/she will not lose his/her faith and promise to do everything in his/her power to have the children baptized and raised in the Catholic faith.

The non-Catholic doesn't need to promise anything, he/she just needs to be informed of the Catholic's promise and what it means.


#12

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