[quote=Ruth101]No I don’t think this is off topic. You are talking about graces so to speak, and I am pointing out why this should not be. These are things that were not part of the apostolic church of Jesus Christ and therefore should not be part of His body now.
Where in all of Scripture does it say that anyone apart from God and the Lord Jesus Christ that there is grace imparted? This has been my struggle and I can’t find one instance of it being from anyone but the LORD God almighty and Jesus Christ who died for us, rose from the dead for us, and ascended into heaven for us. According to the Bible, He is the only one that could do that!
Can you understand where I am coming from?
well, what you just wrote was on topic, but everything up until then has been musings over a list of dates and doctrines, nothing specifically about Mary’s role in our reception of grace. anyway, i’m glad that you are back on board.
regarding Mary as the “mediatrix of all graces”, this belief is a deduction of straight-forward biblical truths. Jesus is the source of all the grace we receive. through his death and resurrection we are able to be sanctified by grace and to gain eventual entrance into heaven. now, God could have achieved this any way he chose. he could have snapped his fingers and the gates of heaven would have opened for us. but, he willed that the Son should take on human flesh and die on the cross to conquer sin and death.
Mary gave him this flesh, the flesh that our Lord deemed necessary for the Son to give up in order to give us his graces. therefore, she is in this sense the mediator of the graces we receive.
now, a distinction must be made here that is of fundamental importance: her mediation is subordinate in nature. the grace comes from the Son. it finds is source in Him, and he is the active agent who imparts it to us. however, by saying yes to the angel and uniting her will to the Father’s, Mary works with Jesus to empart his grace. remember, neither the Father nor the Son need Mary in order to give us grace. but, by willing that the Son be born of a woman who they knew, w/ their perfect forknowledge would say “yes”, Mary was intentionally made a participant in the giving of grace to all mankind.
note that the Lord working with others to achieve his work in the world is quite biblical:
1 Cor 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.
Mark 16:20 And they went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs that attended it. Amen.
Rom 8:28 We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose.
2 Cor 6:1 Working together with him, then, we entreat you not to accept the grace of God in vain.
we can even work with him to save others:
1 Cor 9:22 I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some
1 Tim 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
Mary acts in a similar fashion, by working with God to grant us his grace. Millions of saints work with the Lord to achieve his work every day, not b/c he needs our help, but b/c he has willed that we be involved. Mary’s action is particularly worth noting b/c no one will be able to participate in God’s work the way she did.
i hope this helps