COPLAND 3. You stated,
While it is probably primarily applied to the Church, it has Mary written all over it as well.
Absolutely agreed. There are layers of both here (and more).
The Blessed Virgin Mary in addition to being who She is, is also a type (“typus”) of the Church (CCC 967). The Blessed Virgin Mary is also the “Mother of the Church” (CCC 963).
Thus there are multiple layers meaning (not even getting into Old Covenant prefigurements here).
You cannot conclude Mary had labor pains associated with Her delivering Christ from this “birthing” in Revelation 12:2 is my point. COPLAND 3, I am not saying YOU are asserting this. I am just saying others may draw that conclusion from Revelation 12:2 if these layered meanings are not expanded upon somewhat.
You CAN conclude Mary had “labor pains” associated with Her delivering the Mystical Body of Christ from this verse and authoritative interpretation (i.e. from Pope Pius X that we saw earlier).
Mary is Jesus’ mother (Theotokos).
Spiritually speaking, Mary is also our Mother.
COPLAND 3, I know almost certainly that you are aware of Mary being our Mother (spiritually) from the citations you allude to and other informed posts I’ve seen of yours.
But I’m going to post some references anyway, as some readers of this thread may not be aware of this. Or others may already know it, and want the quotes readily available here that they can easily use them for future reference (in Bible studies, debates, etc.). If they want these quotes, I’m happy to do the “elbow grease” for them.
CCC 501 Jesus is Mary’s only son, but her spiritual motherhood extends to all men whom indeed he came to save: “The Son whom she brought forth is he whom God placed as the first-born among many brethren, that is, the faithful in whose generation and formation she co-operates with a mother’s love.”
VATICAN II Lumen Gentium (VII LG)
**VII LG 53. **The Virgin Mary, who at the message of the angel received the Word of God in her heart and in her body and gave Life to the world, is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and Mother of the Redeemer. Redeemed by reason of the merits of her Son and united to Him by a close and indissoluble tie, **she is endowed with the high office and dignity of being the Mother of the Son of God, by which account she is also the beloved daughter of the Father and the temple of the Holy Spirit. **Because of this gift of sublime grace she far surpasses all creatures, both in heaven and on earth. At the same time, however, because she belongs to the offspring of Adam she is one with all those who are to be saved. **She is “the mother of the members of Christ **. . . having cooperated by charity that faithful might be born in the Church, who are members of that Head.” . . .
VII LG 54. Wherefore this Holy Synod, in expounding the doctrine on the Church, in which the divine Redeemer works salvation, intends to describe with diligence **both **the role of the Blessed Virgin in the mystery of the Incarnate Word and the Mystical Body, and the duties of redeemed mankind toward
the Mother of God, who is mother of Christ and mother of men, particularly of the faithful. . . .
VII LG 61. . . . the Blessed Virgin was in this earth the virgin Mother of the Redeemer . . . and humble handmaid of the Lord. She conceived, brought forth and nourished Christ. . . . Wherefore she is our mother in the order of grace.
VII LG 62. This maternity of Mary in the order of grace began with the consent which she gave in faith at the Annunciation (one layer) and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross (another layer), and lasts until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect (another layer–it is still going on). Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this salvific duty, but by her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. By her maternal charity, she cares for **the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth **surrounded by dangers . . .
Parenthetical additions to V II LG 62 above mine.
**V II LG 63. *By reason of the gift and role of divine maternity, by which she is united with her Son, the Redeemer, and with His singular graces and functions, the Blessed Virgin is also intimately united with the Church. As St. Ambrose taught, the Mother of God is a type of the Church in the order of faith, charity and perfect union with Christ.(18) For in the mystery of the Church, which is itself rightly called mother and virgin, the Blessed Virgin stands out in eminent and singular fashion as exemplar
both of virgin and mother.
V II LG 69 . . . The entire body of the faithful pours forth instant supplications to **the Mother of God and Mother of men **that she, who aided the beginnings of the Church by her prayers, may now, exalted as she is above all the angels and saints, intercede before her Son in the fellowship of all the saints, until all families of people, . . . . . may be happily gathered together in peace and harmony into one people of God, for the glory of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity.
[INDENT] Each and all these items which are set forth in this dogmatic Constitution have met with the approval of the Council Fathers. And We by the apostolic power given Us
by Christ together with the Venerable Fathers in the Holy Spirit, approve, decree and establish it and command that what has thus been decided in the Council
be promulgated for the glory of God.[/INDENT]