Mary


#1

There’s this really mean Lady in our neighborhood who is telling my family that we whorship Mary. Can anyone help, so I can put Mrs. Mean Lady in her place?


#2

yes, tell her to join you, there is a place right next to you.


#3

We, as Catholics, do NOT worship Mary! We venerate her, but do not worship her. All you have to do is tell her that you don’t worship Mary. How can she tell YOU what YOU do?


#4

[quote=tkdnick]We, as Catholics, do NOT worship Mary! We venerate her, but do not worship her. All you have to do is tell her that you don’t worship Mary. How can she tell YOU what YOU do?
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I know but that’s what she tells me, she also tells me that I belive Mary is going to save me, all because I kiss her statue! She opens her bible and tells me what I believe, I don’t like her. Mrs. Mean Lady!!! :mad:


#5

The best explanation I have heard is that a non-Catholic does not understand our relationship with Mary because when Catholics speak about Mary we are talking the language of love.

For example, a person may proclaim their spouse, child or grandchild to be beautiful (when they are very plain). How much more we Catholics express our love for the mother of Jesus. (Who, from all that I have read of those who have seen her, is indescribably beautiful.)

…all generations shall call me blessed…


#6

[quote=MaryleeDorian]…all generations shall call me blessed…
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Luke1:48, lol!


#7

[quote=Luke1:48]There’s this really mean Lady in our neighborhood who is telling my family that we whorship Mary. Can anyone help, so I can put Mrs. Mean Lady in her place?
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Invite 50 friends over with lighted candles to stand around the statue on the evening of December 8th in prayer. That will shut her up! She will porbably pack up and move out of the neighborhood!


#8

[quote=Luke1:48]There’s this really mean Lady in our neighborhood who is telling my family that we whorship Mary. Can anyone help, so I can put Mrs. Mean Lady in her place?
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I know your pain, I’m having a debate right now over the Saints.


#9

[quote=Luke1:48]There’s this really mean Lady in our neighborhood who is telling my family that we whorship Mary. Can anyone help, so I can put Mrs. Mean Lady in her place?
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Not knowing your circumstances, or Mrs Mean Lady’s, my advice is probably not worth much. But something that worked for me once with a “Mr Born-Again Robot” was to invite him to our church. And at first he refused, but I hung on like a drowning man, and kept on treating this guy with all of the christian charity I could, always keeping my poker-face and responding to his vitriol with kindness and respect. I stayed firm to one thing, and that was to always say, ‘You’ve never set foot in a Catholic Church, and never seen with your own eyes what we do when we come together on the Lord’s Day, so how come you are so sure you are right?’ And finally, he did come to church with our family, and kept coming for quite a while. I don’t know if the man ever converted or anything, but he never bothered anyone again, and he stopped being so mean… I even saw him smile now and again.
Maybe give it a try; sometimes asking a loudmouth to put their money where their mouth is, is all it takes. And maybe this Mrs Mean isn’t really mean, she’s just very old and terribly lonely and a bit frightened, and just needs someone with a tough enough skin to reach out and offer her real christian fellowship…

Nil Sine Labore


#10

Say, “No, we don’t. Let’s presume I know more about what **I **believe than you.”

Then invite them to this forum. We’ll set her straight. :wink:

Or you can print out the following and give it to her, that way you will save yourself the need to actually speak with the mean lady again.

catholic.com/library/Saint_Worship.asp


#11

[quote=tkdnick]We, as Catholics, do NOT worship Mary! We venerate her, but do not worship her. All you have to do is tell her that you don’t worship Mary. How can she tell YOU what YOU do?
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Some years back before I moved, there was a wonderful priest, Father John, who would gather a group of us ladies after we had counted the Sunday collection on Monday and take us to different people’s homes. Often we didn’t know who they were. Anyway, we would all stand there and Father John would knock on the front door. When the homeowner opened the door he would smile and ask them if they had an intention that they would like us to pray about for them. Of course, everyone had some problem or another going on in their life so immediately responded with a “YES”. No one ever turned us down. Many weren’t Catholics nor religious at all, and some of them were people who were known in town as being not nice or happy or were sick…

We would smile and introduce ourselves as we stood outside their front door then we would say a decade of the rosary. Pretty soon we saw those people in church! It was wonderful. We always said that Father John was a saint and could melt the hardest of hearts. Gee, I miss him. He died and it seems as though there are few priests left that I know who will carry on this tradition in the way that he did. He really loved the blessed Mother. I love the blessed Mother too. Well, who wouldn’t love the Mother of God!

with Love,
Mary


#12

Try praying a rosary intention for her every week.

And yes, I would like to know how she “knows” what she does- perhaps this will help you to clarify for her.


#13

MARY’S INTERCESSION

How This Teaching Exalts Christ

Mary’s intercession is entirely dependent on Jesus’ role as the great Mediator (I Timothy 2:5). He is the One Way to the Father (John 14:6), all prayers to the Father must go through Him. Mary’s prayers are no exception; she, too, prays to the Father in Jesus’ Name.

Biblical Basis

We see a biblical example of Mary’s intercession at the Wedding Feast in Cana (John 2:1-11). Mary notices that the couple has run out of wine, so she asks Jesus to help them (vs 2). Jesus agrees to do it, only He wants to keep it quiet because it is not yet time for Him to manifest Himself as Messiah (vs. 4). So she tells the servants to do whatever Jesus tells them to (vs 5), and He performs the miracle. Jesus helped that young couple because His Mother interceded for them! As she did on earth, she continues to do in heaven, and if He listened to her then, surely He will listen to her requests now. Belief that the saints in heaven intercede for us is biblical! The Book of Revelation portrays the twenty-four elders as offering our prayers to God like incense (Revelation 5:8). Those who sleep in Christ are still members of His Body, as are we. So we can ask them to pray for us the same way we would ask a fellow Christian on earth to pray for us:blessyou:


#14

[quote=Br. Rich SFO]Invite 50 friends over with lighted candles to stand around the statue on the evening of December 8th in prayer. That will shut her up! She will porbably pack up and move out of the neighborhood!
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Better yet, have a Rosary procession around the neighborhood at night, with the statue, candle and all… :smiley:


#15

Tell Mean Lady you will:

Sell everything you have and give her all the money,

cut her grass and do all her housework everyday for 20 years,

If she can produce one official Catholic document over the past 2000 years that instructs Catholics to worship Mary.

Tell her I will kick in $10,000 on top of the reward if she can find the said document.

The dictionary must be used to tell the difference between “worship” and “venerate”, and a Greek dictionary to tell the difference between dulia, hyperdulia, and latria. Anti-Catholics don’t have dictionaries, or they use them for door-stops.

Anti-Catholics are not interested in what the Church teaches, they are only interested in what deceivers and liars teach, because anti-Catholicism is more an enterprise or a commodity than it is a set of misunderstandings. Find out who told Mean Lady that lie. It might be Dave Hunt or Jack Chick or some other slick businessman who has an extra 30 pieces of silver in his bank account.:mad: If Mean Lady has a computer, tell her there is not one “bible-Christian” web site that tells the truth about the Catholic Church. Not one. Then you can challenge her to find one Catholic web site that tells lies about bible-Christians.(there aren’t any:nope: ) Tell her to start here so she can see for herself how much she has been lied to. I have 30 more personal favorite web sites if you need them. www.catholicoutlook.com click on objections. It’s the best formatting for anti-Catholics I have yet found because it is so easy to navigate, and has a neat list of objections for them to click on.

Whatever you do, don’t waste your time reinforcing such empty-headed bigotry and prejudice with fruitless arguments. :banghead: Mean Lady has to want to know first or you risk making things worse. If befriending Mean Lady is out of the question, the best thing is to avoid any discussions about religion, and keep a safe distance and a close prayer watch.

kepha1


#16

[quote=kepha1]Tell Mean Lady you will:

Sell everything you have and give her all the money,

cut her grass and do all her housework everyday for 20 years,

If she can produce one official Catholic document over the past 2000 years that instructs Catholics to worship Mary.

Tell her I will kick in $10,000 on top of the reward if she can find the said document.

The dictionary must be used to tell the difference between “worship” and “venerate”, and a Greek dictionary to tell the difference between dulia, hyperdulia, and latria. Anti-Catholics don’t have dictionaries, or they use them for door-stops.

Anti-Catholics are not interested in what the Church teaches, they are only interested in what deceivers and liars teach, because anti-Catholicism is more an enterprise or a commodity than it is a set of misunderstandings. Find out who told Mean Lady that lie. It might be Dave Hunt or Jack Chick or some other slick businessman who has an extra 30 pieces of silver in his bank account.:mad: If Mean Lady has a computer, tell her there is not one “bible-Christian” web site that tells the truth about the Catholic Church. Not one. Then you can challenge her to find one Catholic web site that tells lies about bible-Christians.(there aren’t any:nope: ) Tell her to start here so she can see for herself how much she has been lied to. I have 30 more personal favorite web sites if you need them. www.catholicoutlook.com click on objections. It’s the best formatting for anti-Catholics I have yet found because it is so easy to navigate, and has a neat list of objections for them to click on.

Whatever you do, don’t waste your time reinforcing such empty-headed bigotry and prejudice with fruitless arguments. :banghead: Mean Lady has to want to know first or you risk making things worse. If befriending Mean Lady is out of the question, the best thing is to avoid any discussions about religion, and keep a safe distance and a close prayer watch.

kepha1
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U R right, I’m just going to ignore Mrs. Mean Lady for now… And I will laugh as she tells me what I believe. :rotfl:


#17

Next time she does it, give her the biggest, most welcoming, most “I LOVE you!” smile you can manage, and shakeyou head in disbelief. Say, “Man! Where in the world do you come up with stuff like that!” Then launch into Kepha1’s offer.

It is important to keep the atmosphere open, undefensive, and POSITIVE!


#18

Grrrrrrrr… Mrs. Mean Lady=anti-christ.


#19

If she continues to take this attitude, the most charitable thing to do – in my opinion – would be to ignore her and offer up her nastiness for the souls in purgatory.

I don’t think, as Christians, we’re called to “put people in their places” but to suffer these things willingly (I’ve just been doing a study of the Sermon on the Mount so that aspect of it jumps out at me),


#20

hey luke 1:48! this is a great chance to love someone! :slight_smile:

i know mean ladies are hard to love. i have a hard time myself sometimes, especially when they’re trying to tell me what i believe. but you KNOW what you believe! :slight_smile: so just love the mean lady, and as presterjohn says, maybe you’ll find out that she’s not so mean after all.

we all get a little cranky sometimes. :slight_smile:

God bless you. you gave me a great chuckle today.


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