Mass in Suzhou, China?


#1

I’ll be in Suzhou, China on Sunday, January 25.

Can anyone recommend a mass? English would be helpful, but certainly not required.

Thanks!

FG


#2

As for a dispensation before you leave. Do not seek out the underground Church, for their safety and yours, and the Patriotic Church is not in union with Rome.


#3

I will do just that if there is no authentic option available. Thank you. But I’m hoping…


#4

are the sacraments still licit though.

I have a friend from china who went to the patriotic church, not knowing there was a difference, she only found out there was an underground church when she came here

looks like they have got a lot of people fooled

but I agree, the dispensation is probably the only feasible option


#5

The sacraments are all illicit in the Patriotic Church, and in the case of Confession and marriage, possibly invalid as well.

The underground is in communion with Rome, but for the safety of the Church and themselves, visitors should not seek them out or ask around for them.


#6

This is what I could find on the web. Can anyone verify this?

Is anybody familiar with either of these two churches:

Church of St. Joseph
14 Daxinxiang,
Jiuxueqian St.,
Suzhou,
Jiangsu 215005

Church of Our Lady of Seven Sorrows
Caixiang
Xumenwai, Suzhou,
Jiangsu 215004

Diocese of Suzhou
Diocese of Suzhou (ID: 86274)
Roman Rite | English
Bishop Joseph Xu Honggen
Catholic Mission, Bishop’s House
Suzhou, Jiangsu 215004 China

Bishop Joseph Honggen Xu
Bishop’s House, 190 Lianxiangqiao, Sanxing Road, China [215004]
+86-512-67272746
Fax :–

Bishop Joseph Xu Honggen was born into a Catholic family in 1962, Bishop Xu entered Sheshan seminary in 1984. After he was ordained a priest in 1990, he served at that seminary and Suzhou’s Jiangsu Minor Seminary. He also served as the cathedral parish priest in Suzhou.

In 1994, he began studies in Chicago and New York, the United States. After obtaining a master’s degree in theology and another in biblical studies, he returned to Suzhou in 1999. The diocese was without a bishop since his predecessor, Bishop Matthias Ma Longlin, died that year at age 81.

Bishop Xu’s ordination on April 20, 2006, took place six years after the priests, nuns and lay representatives of his diocese in Jiangsu province, eastern China, chose him to be their bishop in December 1999. The Chinese government only recently approved his ordination.

Reviewing his past six years as diocesan administrator, then 45-year-old Bishop Xu told UCA News on the day of his episcopal ordination, “I thank God for giving me this chance to try me, to allow me to better understand the challenges my diocese faces and how to run it better.”

Bishop Joseph Xu Honggen of Suzhou is approved by the Holy See as well as the Chinese government.


#7

Spoke to my pastor last night. He said that I had done due diligence. I received the dispensation. I’ll still see if I can get to the Church while I am there–only 12 minutes from my hotel.


#8

Most of the dioceses in China have bishops that are recognized by both Rome and Bejing. In those diocese, the Masses are fully licit.

My brother lives in Nanjing. That is one of those dioceses. Not only do they go to Mass at the Cathedral, but there is an English language Mass said by a priest from Wales.

If it is Bishop of Suzhou is still +Joseph Xu Honggen, then it seems that he was ordained as bishop with the permission of the Holy See ( in fact resisted ordination as a bishop until the permission was granted). If he is still bishop there, then the Masses there are licit in the eyes of the Church

zenit.org/en/articles/cardinal-zen-assails-illicit-episcopal-ordination

catholicnews.sg/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4793:vatican-approved-bishop-ordained-in-taizhou&catid=248:august-01-2010-vol-60-no15&Itemid=79

directory.ucanews.com/bishops/bishop-xu/209


#9

I will be stopping by the Church at some point before Sunday to make sure when mass is celebrated.


#10

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