=Bill Pick;5216891]17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. KJB.
How can you “tell it to the church” if the church is not visible if would be impossible to fulillment if the church was just a spiritual society… What do you think.
Mt. 18: 15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18* Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19 Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”
Bill my friend, the Church (The RCC) has NEVER been invisible, even when it went underground. Nor is it invisible today. Batter, abused, bloodied, ignored, denied, but never my friend, NEVER invisible. Why?
Because you and me, my friend, all IPRC’s are visible. The only Bible most people will ever read is how we, you and me and all Catholics lead and live our lives. Amen!
In culling verse 17, as in any culled section, one must take great care in order to gain a full and proper persprective.
Is Jesus really saying to shun these people? Yes, but only in a limited manner. He is saying “don’t befriend them lest they effect you’re Faith,” but He is not saying do not try to convert them. We are to know, live. and teach our faith, so when we encounter unbelievers, especially those who think that they know more and know better, at a minimum we are to pray for them. If called, we are to instruct them, and pray for them.
Keep in mind the example of a “tax collector” takes the offence out of the realm of being “personal” they treat everyone in the same crooked and unfair manner. So let us not make it personal!
Mt. 18: 21"Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.”
See, same book, same chapter, and here “is the rest of the story!”
Love and prayer’s