Medjugorje


#1

Has anyone gone? What did you think?

What are your general views of the Medjurgorje events?


#2

I haven’t gone as yet. However, I’ve had a desire to go since I read about it some 10 years ago.

So much good has come out of Medjugorje that I can’t think that God has not had a hand in it. Granted, the Church cannot say whether the apparitians are valid until the visions stop. However, if you read books written about Medjugorje, you can’t help but recognise the fruits that have blossumed.

The first book I read was “Medjugorje” by Wayne Weible. It’s a very moving book and speaks intimately of his conversion to Catholicism.


#3

I have read that two Bishops from the archdiocese there have declared that there is not sufficient evidence to declare the apparitions to supernatural events.


#4

I went 3 years ago. I didn’t find anything I would call earth shaking. Maybe I was expecting to much because some people came a way with a religious experience. My wife’s 90 year old uncle, a priest, just got back and he found it uplifting so who am I to judge?What I gained was a knowladge and apprciation of the life in a third world country.


#5

I went to Medjugorje in 1988 with my sister and brother on a tour group. I was 5 months pregnant with my now 15 year old son. The experience was like being on a retreat, but that was because your prayer and spiritual events were increased for the week. Before going I really believed in Medjugorje, now I firmly believe in waiting for the Church to give her word of approval or disapproval of its authenticity. I have heard so much good that has come from Medjugore, yet I have heard some scarey things that make me question the truth. For example, Mary supposedly asked one of the visionaries to become a nun, but she didn’t become one. She married instead. Have you known any other apparition where the visionaries did not obey what Mary asked of them? Also, one visionary supposedly said that all religions are equal. That really raises red flags for me. I still keep a slight ear bent towards the happenings and hopes of Medjugore, but I prefer depending on the Church. God would never lead her astray by way of an apparition. Keep reading and finding out BOTH sides of the facts, and wait for the Church. I have also heard that only one bishop has approved it, all the rest have said it is not authentic. The investigation continues I guess.


#6

Yes, I am waiting on the Church. It seems some like some positive things have taken place…yet some very questionable things as well. There was more then one vissionary who turned down Mary’s request (that is somewhat shocking to me) and I did read that at least one vissionary reported that Mary gave comments of neutrality towards all religions–something along the lines that we should have respect for all religions…the suspicious word there is “all.”


#7

I went back in '93. It was my freshman year in college. Everyone else went to Cancun. :cool:

That was several lifetimes ago, though. I went through a lot with the faith in the intervening 11 years. I’m now coming back after the struggle that began at that place.

I don’t mean to disparage Medjugorje. After all, I “asked for it.” When I was there, I said, “God, break me down and rebuild me.” I had no idea what I was getting into. The whole trip my mom and I went through what I can only say was spiritual warfare. We were depressed, doubtful, screwed up, whatever. I was miserable. But, on this one little pathway I had an epiphany of sorts. I was trying to determine who should be my patron saint for confirmation, and Joseph came through loud and clear.

I guess there were a couple of minor miracles, but it would be tough to explain them even to believers. (I experienced a much more significant, bells-and-whistles miracle before I even went).

Basically, it was a hellish trip, and one of the most meaningful and long-lasting experiences of my life.


#8

Medjugorje is NOT from God.

There’s a lot of information on it here:

unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/MedjugorjeIndex.html


#9

[quote=thomasj317]Has anyone gone? What did you think?

What are your general views of the Medjurgorje events?
[/quote]

I haven’t gone and don’t intend to, we have loads of seers here in Ireland at the minute, some critizing others, that can’t be good.
If the Church approves then I would consider, really we don’t need to go to these shrines, we have those shrines right in every Parish, (Jesus in the Tabernacle) isn’t it amazing that people will travel thousands of miles to an apparation site, but not a few miles to the Tabernacle.
Ivan was here a few years ago and I went to listen to him, apart from that I don’t promote these things unless the Church approves.
Ok i’ll get off the pedastel now :smiley:


#10

Hawkeye,

Very good point–there are likely people who have taken a pilgrimage to Medjugorje, yet have rarely ever sat with the Lord during adoration.
I have many strong doubts, and the more I read, the more doubts I have, especially when I read some of the things that Our Lady is reported to have said to the vissionaries…some of it seems quite contrary to the faith.


#11

George,

Thanks for the link…interesting stuff, some of which I already concluded.


#12

I read an interesting interview with Randall Sullivan recently, (godspy.com/culture/The-Miracle-Detective-by-Randall-Sullivan.cfm if you’re interested) about how he began a conversion to Christianity and Catholicism while researching a book about the “Miracle Detectives”, specifically the events at Medjugorje. It was pretty cool to hear about this man who is an editor of Rolling Stone and Men’s Health magazine talking about his new found faith.


#13

[quote=chrystl]So much good has come out of Medjugorje that …
[/quote]

Well, that is not what the local bishops have said about it.

So many invalid sacraments, so much disobedience, violence, sacrilege, disorder, irregularities, and not a single “message” from tens of thousands of “apparitions” has been directed towards eliminating these scandals. A very strange thing indeed!

I believe the apparitions at Medjugorje are either a scam or the work of Satan.

This letter dated February 17, 2004 from the current Bishop on his diocescan website makes pretty darn clear his disapproval: cbismo.hr/DHTMLFiles/Opsirnije.asp?P=7

Below is just an excerpt from his conclusion. It is worth reading the entire document. And remember, it is completely up to the authority of the local Bishop to determine that validity or not of an apparition. The Vatican has consistently supported the decisions of the local Bishop, just as it has with the banned visions at Garabandal and Bayside:

Originally Posted by Ratko Perić, bishop of Mostar-Duvno
If our Bishops’ Conference, despite numerous curious visitors to Medjugorje, notwithstanding massive publicity accompanied by charismatic inspirations, had the courage to declare on the base of serious, solid and expert investigations, that there is no proof in Medjugorje of any supernatural apparitions, this then is a sign that the Church even in the 20th century is still “the pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Tim 3, 15) - (O. P., p. 151).

C - The Interventions of the Holy See

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, has intervened four times through two of its Secretaries, while the Prefect, Cardinal Ratzinger, also made an important intervention.

In 1985, Msgr. Alberto Bovone notified the Secretary of the Bishops’ Conference of Italy not to organize official pilgrimages to Medjugorje.

In 1995, Msgr. Tarcisio Bertone wrote to the bishop of Langres, Msgr. Leon Taverdet, and repeated the same to Msgr. Lucien Daloz of Besançon, France, who were interested in knowing the position of the Holy See on Medjugorje.

Finally, in 1998, the same Secretary wrote to Msgr. Gilbert Aubry, bishop of Reunion. All these letters emphasized that pilgrimages, whether private or public, are not allowed if they presuppose the authenticity of the apparitions, since this would be in contradiction to the declaration of the Bishops’ Conference of Yugoslavia.

…Regarding Medjugorje, there’s a real danger that the Madonna and the Church could be privatized. People could start contriving a Madonna and a Church according to their own taste, perception and deception: by not submitting their reason as believers to the official Magisterium of the Church, but rather forcing the Church to follow and recognize their fantasy.

…There are at least 6 or 7 religious or quasi-religious communities, …, which have arbitrarily been installed in Medjugorje without the permission of the local Diocesan authorities. These communities are more a sign of disobedience than a real charisma of obedience in this Church!

There exists a problem in this diocese of Mostar-Duvno which in recent years has practically precipitated into a schism. At least eight Franciscan priests, who have rebelled against the decision of the Holy See to transfer a certain number of parishes administered by the Franciscans to the diocesan priests, have been expelled from the Franciscan Order and suspended ‘a divinis’. In spite of this, they have occupied at least five parishes through force, and continue to exercise sacred functions. They invalidly assist at marriages, hear confessions without canonical faculties and invalidly confer the sacrament of confirmation. Three years ago they even invited a deacon of the Old-Catholic Church who falsely presented himself as a bishop, to preside at a confirmation and he “confirmed” about 800 young people in three parishes.

The Church, from the local to supreme level, from the beginning to this very day, has clearly and constantly repeated: Non constat de supernaturalitate! No to pilgrimages that would ascribe a supernatural nature to the apparitions, no shrine of the Madonna, no authentic messages nor revelations, no true visions!

This is the state of things today. How will things be tomorrow? We’ll leave them in God’s hands and under Our Lady’s protection!

I have posted numerous links to documents from both Bishop Zanic and Bishop Peric that flat out say the apparitions are not from Mary. I am not going to take the time to repost everything. Do a search on “rfk” and “Medjugorje”.


#14

As I have done on other threads, I highly endorse E. Michael Jones’ MEDJUGORJE DECEPTION.

www.culturewars.com

this excellent book is tragically marred by some copy editing errors, but it is dead on in it’s analysis of the events of Medjugorje.

I heard a guest on Relevant Radio’s Morning air a few weeks back promoting Medjugorje. Tragic. The Church has spoken.

Chris C.


#15

—The Church has not approved the apparitions.

—According to the vissionaries, Mary stated that we must respect all religions, and that we are not real Christians if we do not hold that respect for all religions. Note, Mary did not say respect and love all people, she is alledged to have said that we are to respect all religions. That does not square at all.

—According to the vissionaries, all of the girls were asked by Mary to be nuns–yet none of them have become nuns. Now, I ask everyone reading this, if Mary asked you do “x” wouldn’t you do it? It is inconceivable that all of the vissionary girls would ignore Mary’s direct request that they become nuns.

There is much more, but if even one alledged point from Mary is not from God, then none of it is from God and none of it is from Mary.

Jesus is the way!


#16

As rfk notes, this is the latest official statement available on Medjugorje:

Medjugorje: Secrets, Messages, Vocations, Prayers, Confessions, Commissions

Author: Msgr. Ratko Peric, Bishop of Mostar-Duvno, Ordinary for Medjugorje
Date: February 17, 2004

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