[quote="Esdra, post:6, topic:228778"]
Yes, please keep this thread charitable!
No attacking of people. (Btw, this is against the CAF rules).
This is a sincere discussion at the moment here in Europe.
And I think, and it's my right to think so, that the authors are right that there need to be reforms in the RCC. (I think a decline of 80,000 Catholics here in Austria says enough!)
These so-called scholars are so bereft of any original idea that they have to steal one from a German Augustinian who died 500 years ago. Using the sex scandals to justify their suggestions is revolting and cynical. They love the sex scandal, because it boosts their agenda.
The mentality of these "theologians" is exactly the same as the mentality of Austrians who reacted to the assasination of Dolfuss by donning a red and black armband. "Become like those who hate you, then there will be amity."
You're in Europe, so tell me: did the anschluss "solve" anything?
Use logic: saying that abolishing the priesthood will stop priests from having sex with juveniles is like saying abolishing the crime of murder will stop people killing each other.
The same people will still do the same act, only their label will change.
You may claim that this is a "discussion" in Austria. It may well be. But I deny that it is a "serious" discussion, any more than "Rock Me Amadeus" was serious Austrian music.
To read manifesto 2011, one would think that no ordinary Fritz on the Ringstrasse ever had sex with a 15 year old. What does anyone think Falco was doing on Hispaniola Island when he died, praying to the Infant of Prague?
Who do you think is fueling the enormous legal sex industry in Germany? The Dominicans? The Jesuits? Maybe the Discalced Carmelites? How about ordinary German men? Do you think all of the people servicing their lusts are fully mature German frau, looking for a few more Euros so they can upgrade the Audi to a Benz? How are they going to "purify" the Church?
Let me tell you something about this scandal: it is the result of the same corruption in society that exists from top to bottom. The Church is attacked because it shifts the blame from guilty people and guilty governments who take the money and fail to govern. It buys them additional time from having to face the truth about themselves. The Church is the only institution in the West that even attempts to reform itself.
I regret if anything I wrote hurt your feelings. That manifesto, however, is poison.