I’ve recently been engaged in a conversation/debate with a Muslim woman who lives in Egypt. This conversation has actually lasted for more than four months! :eek: Though, the e-mails have actually been rather sporadic, occurring once every couple of weeks (or longer). I’m starting to wonder if there’s any point to these e-mails anymore since, from my perspective, she’s not listening to what I have say, and, from her perspective, I’m not listening to reason. At any rate, I thought I should begin a series of posts - not too many I don’t hope - in order to present her accusations against…the Bible - and, of course, Jesus as Son of God - so that you all, my lovely apologists might offer me some fresh insight on how to handle her objections.
[Anything in [COLOR=“blue”]**bold blue **is where she is quoting me.]
[quote=Muslimah]in response to what I say about the Bible you say that these are wrong claims and in your last e-mail u tried to provide evidence.
So let me examine them ( I’m sure non of us expects the other to simply believe something is true just coz the other said it’s so) and let me show u the objective criteria I have for stating the Bible is mostly corrupt:
**“You say that the Bible is corrupt, but you don’t even know what you mean by that. If the Old Testament (or Tanakh) were corrupted, then you’re immediately suggesting that generations of prophets from David to Jesus, who were raised on these scriptures as Jews, were taught corrupted Scripture.” **
No Sam…when I say the OT was corrupt I am not saying there was no true torah once…i’m saying that history proves very clearly that the OT can’t be what Moses wrote …it is so simply proven in any historical study(you have no single proof that the OT you have now is what Moses wrote)…
Apart from this I can give u one simple evidence from the OT itsel: how can Moses write about his own death if he was the transcriber of the five books of the OT?
"So Moses, the servant of the Lord, died there in the land of Moab, just as the Lord had said. 6 The Lord buried him* in a valley near Beth-peor in Moab, but to this day no one knows the exact place." ***
Can u really believe Moses wrote that???and at least he would have said “me” instead of “him”!!!..the Torah is full of passages where u have “God spoke to Moses” , if Moses (pbuh) was the writer of the OT we have now he would have said:" and God told (ME)"
[quote=Muslimah]Another easy proof is the story about the ark…now God’s covenant to Moses (pbuh) as mentioned in the OT was kept in the (ark) as the jews know it…would u plz tell me how big could an ark be which can have the torah we have today when there was no printing and they were written on stone tablets and carried in an ark which wasn’t so big(about 114 x 68 x 68 cm ) ??!!
What I mean by was corrupt is that this ark was kept for some generations but then it was lost but ppl continued to transform the commandments and laws orally along with many other oral traditions(there is even the Oral Law in jewish belief until today)…and through this time u can imagine what such oral transmission does to an origin which was lost!
Sam what Torah are u talking about that has been taught to generations of Jews? “* The Old Testament is a collection of works of greatly differing length and many different genres. They were written in several languages over a period of more than nine hundred years,based on oral traditions. Many of these works were corrected and completed in accordance with events or special requirements, often at periods that were very distant from one another.” *
*"The Nineteenth century saw an even more minute search into the sources. In 1854, four sources were recognised. They were called the Yahvist version, the Elohist version, Deuteronomy, and the Sacerdotal version. It was even possible to date them:
The Yahvist version was placed in the Ninth century B.C. (written in Judah)
The Elohist version was probably a little more recent (written in Israel)
Deuteronomy was from the Eighth century B.C. for some (E. Jacob) , and from the time of Josiah for others (Father de Vaux)
The Sacerdotal version came from the period of exile or after the exile: Sixth century B.C. *
It can be seen that the arrangement of the text of the Pentateuch spans at least three centuries."
I, of course, feel I could answer her objections, but would like more insight into these issues.