[quote=Iohannes]Vatican II undermined the liturgy.
Take sacrosanctum concillium:
One paragraph will uphold traditional teaching and going further down another paragraph will undermine it.
The destruction of the Roman Mass is very similar to what Cranmer did to the Sarum Mass in England. He wrote a good books about it if you want to understand what is going on.
-Destruction and smashing of high altars.
-imposition of the vernacular english include against the people who did not speak english
-communion in both species
-communion in hand
-ministers facing the people
-tables arranged in northend
-smashing of statues
-burning of Sarum Missals
-within two generations of attendance of the anglican service the catholic faith was extinguished.
Lex Credendi, Lex Orandi
Does this sound very similar?
From the folks of Devonshire:
Obviously, Cranmer was a formal heretic and went too far, but let me ask you, since the Church approves this things, what is BAD about a Mass that people can understand? What is BAD about communion in both species (we’ve had it in both for longer than we didn’t)? What is BAD about communion in the hand, practiced in the Apostolic and Patristic period? What is BAD about the altar being in the middle of the room? The north end? The west end? What is BAD, satanic, demonic, about that? You and I both know there’s nothing inherently bad in any of those things, particularly in the things permitted by the Church. And may I ask, are you with the good folk of old Devonshire, advocating the killing of heretics?