My ‘wall’ is the teachings of the Church. Thanks… I do have fun inside the Church’s teachings, and also enjoy reminding folks that the things that the Church doesn’t teach are, in fact, not things that the Church holds as necessary to the faith.
Umm… no? Divine Mercy Sunday is helpful; but Divine Mercy doesn’t save sinners. (It just helps those who are already in a state of grace avoid the temporal punishment due to sin, and – with luck – convinces those who are in a state of mortal sin to make recourse to the sacraments to be absolved of their sin. Of course, one doesn’t need Divine Mercy Sunday to go to confession. )
Let’s be fair. The Church doesn’t “push” private revelation. On the other hand, there are private revelations that the Church endorses… and there are definitely things that are claimed to be private revelation that the Church doesn’t endorse!
However, the very nature of ‘private revelation’ is such is that it’s not necessary for salvation. For those who accept the private revelation(s) that the Church endorses – great! For those who do not accept the private revelation that the Church endorses – still good, 'cause they can be saved without them! On the other hand, for those who claim that the private revelations that the Church doesn’t endorse are necessary (or even praiseworthy) to accept… no!
No one who is interested in learning the Catholic faith should listen to Voris. His own bishop asked him to stop referring to his programs as Catholic, which pretty much tells you what you need to know.
I can’t believe you two are implying that Techno2000 doesn’t know that the goal post of salvation is Jesus. What on earth makes you two think that others’ private revelation doesn’t bring people to Jesus, thus playing an integral role in their salvation. Those views are so myopic, and smack of a converts inability to let go of their “salvation comes through Jesus alone” attitude.
I’ve never encountered such disdain and push back on private revelations before. A hubristic attitude of espousing private revelation as irrelevant to all but the receiver.
I’ll just remind you of one thing. JPll and many of the world’s bishops consecrated the world and specifically Russia based on a private revelation. How many souls do you think were saved because of it, or was it irrelevant to all but Sr. Lucia.
I don’t see where Techno or I said that private revelation isn’t helpful, or even integral to the faith life of some.
Lashing out at us doesn’t change the fact that private revelation isn’t necessary for salvation. That’s all we are saying.
It’s not myopic at all to acknowledge that the private revelation practices of the faith are option and for some, it really helps take the pressure off. Like I mentioned, there have been quite a few Facebook/twitter messages that make those who don’t care to participate in the 100th anniversary of Fatima into some sort of social pariahs.
I can’t speak for Techo but I can say for myself I think that it’s wonderful that the Pope found comfort and heeded private revelation. However, I am glad that is an equally valid option for me to say “that’s not for me”
That’s all I’m saying. I WANT the freedom to reject private revelation and the Church respects that. It really sounds like you do not want to give me the kind of choice that the Church itself does.
Don’t dump your Facebook and Twitter baggage on other people.
Maybe you should read through this thread again. You and @Gorgias jumped at the opportunity to take swings at mine and @Techno2000 posts about private revelation, which had nothing to do with pushing you or anyone else to accept it or else.
Look, it’s out there. People ARE pushing it too far. What about that don’t you want to accept? It isn’t just my facebook…the post has been shared thousands of times…that’s thousands of facebooks and hundreds of people who are being falsely shamed for not being into private revelation.
Many of your statements were very open to interpretation. It took you half a page to concede what is a basic tenet of the church–that the Bible is public revelation, which you did grudgingly.
This is rather concerning. Being able to discern the difference between public and private revelation is key to understanding what is key to the Catholic faith and what is supplemental to it. You have regularly confused what is doctrine and what is private and up to people to determine whether or not they believe.