Michigan legislature approves extra insurance fee for abortions


#1

Americans United for Life has scored a major victory here in Michigan. For clarification by our standards Governor Snyder would be considered pro-abortion for his positions on rape, health of the mother, and incest.

reuters.com/assets/print?aid=USBRE9BB00020131212

Michigan legislature approves extra insurance fee for abortions
Wed, Dec 11 2013
(Reuters) - The Michigan legislature on Wednesday approved a proposal that would make it the ninth state to prohibit insurance companies from offering abortions unless women pay a fee in addition to the premium.

The proposal, which was brought before the legislature as an initiative petition organized by Right to Life of Michigan, an anti-abortion group, was approved in the House and Senate, both of which have Republican majorities.

State senators voted 27-11 and representatives 62-47 to make the "Abortion Insurance Opt-Out Act" proposal law. Under Michigan's constitution, such voter initiatives become law 90 days after the current session ends, without the need for Governor Rick Snyder's signature.

Snyder, a Republican who identifies himself as pro-life, had vetoed a similar measure lawmakers approved less than a year ago. Snyder said in a letter to constituents the bill went too far because it treated situations involving rape and incest as elective abortions, and interfered with the private insurance market.

"Abortion is not true health care and people who object will not have to contribute their own tax dollars or insurance premiums for elective abortions," Right to Life of Michigan President Barbara Listing said in a statement.

The Michigan petition is one of a series of state initiatives in recent years that attempt to limit abortions, including banning the procedure after 20 weeks and enacting new restrictions on abortion providers. Eight other states have similar abortion insurance laws, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-abortion rights research group.

The Michigan initiative drew the ire of Democratic state lawmakers. Michigan Democrats argued that the initiative provided no exceptions for rape or incest and the legislature should have let the matter go before voters in November 2014.

"Legislative Republicans are once again catering to the whims of special interest groups, and the citizens suffer," state Representative Vicki Barnett, a Democrat, said in a statement. "Now, Michigan women need to plan ahead for 'rape insurance' in case the absolute worst happens."

Democratic state Senate leaders called for its immediate repeal.

The petitioners submitted about 316,000 signatures, well above the 258,088 needed to put the initiative before the legislature. The signatures submitted represented about 3 percent of Michigan's population of 9.9 million.

(Reporting by David Bailey in Minneapolis and Mary Wisniewski in Chicago; editing by Gunna Dickson)


#2

Go Michigan! :thumbsup:

California, New York and Maryland: I hope you're listening!


#3

Message: vote for a GOP governor and GOP legislature if you want pro life legislation to be passed. Funny, Many thought the GOP was not truly pro life but only in it for fundraising money. Guess They were wrong.

Ishii


#4

[quote="ishii, post:3, topic:347915"]
Message: vote for a GOP governor and GOP legislature if you want pro life legislation to be passed. Funny, Many thought the GOP was not truly pro life but only in it for fundraising money. Guess They were wrong.

Ishii

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Ishii :rolleyes: This is down to the grass roots work of AUL. When similiar legislation was brought forward Snyder VETOED it. Because there were not provisions for Rape, incest, and life of the Mother.

ATB


#5

[RIGHT][/RIGHT]

[quote="Mickey_Finn, post:4, topic:347915"]
Ishii :rolleyes: This is down to the grass roots work of AUL. When similiar legislation was brought forward Snyder VETOED it. Because there were not provisions for Rape, incest, and life of the Mother.

ATB

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Uh, Mickey, he signed it this time. And of course the GOP legislature passed it right ? This would never have happened under a Democrat gov and legislature. Pity that you just can't give some credit to the GOP for a pro life victory. The question is why?

Ishii


#6

Ishii This is down to the grass roots work of AUL. When similiar legislation was brought forward Snyder VETOED it

The legislature basically overrode Snyder. The grass-roots activism was indispensable, but there's no way on Earth a democrat-controlled legislature would do something like this, regardless of the level of grass-roots support. To quote directly from the article:

The Michigan initiative drew the ire of Democratic state lawmakers


#7

Michigan is the 24th state to ban abortions in insurance plans through Obamacare, but I am not sure if all of those states ban abortion in all cirumcumstances like the plan the Miochigan legislature approved plan does

politico.com/story/2013/12/michigan-obamacare-affordable-care-act-abortions-100985.html

Abortifacients and contraception can still be covered in these plans though it appears.

abortionfreehealthcare.com/?page_id=35

States (23) that currently ban abortion coverage from Exchange health insurance plans
Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
Virginia
Wisconsin

States (27) that do not ban abortion coverage from Exchange health insurance plans
Alaska
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island
Texas
Vermont
Washington
West Virgina
Wyoming


#8

Michigan is the 24th state to ban abortion in insurance plans through Obamacare, but not all of the states that have banned abortion being coverage do so in all cirumcumstances like the plan the Michigan legislature approved plan does

politico.com/story/2013/12/michigan-obamacare-affordable-care-act-abortions-100985.html

Abortifacients and contraception can still be covered in these plans though it appears.

abortionfreehealthcare.com/?page_id=35

States (23) that currently ban abortion coverage from Exchange health insurance plans
Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
Virginia
Wisconsin

States (27) that do not ban abortion coverage from Exchange health insurance plans
Alaska
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island
Texas
Vermont
Washington
West Virgina
Wyoming

:eek:


#9

Michigan is the 24th state to ban abortion in insurance plans through Obamacare, but not all of the states that have banned abortion being coverage do so in all cirumcumstances like the plan the Michigan legislature approved plan does

politico.com/story/2013/12/michigan-obamacare-affordable-care-act-abortions-100985.html

Abortifacients and contraception can still be covered in these plans though it appears.

abortionfreehealthcare.com/?page_id=35

States (23) that currently ban abortion coverage from Exchange health insurance plans
Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
Virginia
Wisconsin

States (27) that do not ban abortion coverage from Exchange health insurance plans
Alaska
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island
Texas
Vermont
Washington
West Virgina
Wyoming


#10

Those who deign to force conscientious people of faith to support the slaughter of the innocent have no morals. If someone believes that killing babies is necessary, he should contribute to a fund so pseudo-doctors can do the "job".
We pro-lifers love the woman and baby so much that we refuse to enable any "final solution" which will prey on the woman's conscience for life. :) Rob


#11

My appologies. Michigan Right to Life should be credited for this legislation.

ATB


#12

[quote="Mickey_Finn, post:11, topic:347915"]
My appologies. Michigan Right to Life should be credited for this legislation.

ATB

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Michigan right to life should be credited but Michigan right to life can not pass legislation, legislature has to do that, and those that voted in support of the abortion coverage ban deserve crediting


#13

States (24) that currently ban abortion coverage from Exchange health insurance plans
Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan :tiphat:
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
Virginia
Wisconsin

States (26) that do not ban abortion coverage from Exchange health insurance plans
Alaska
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois
Iowa
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island
Texas
Vermont
Washington
West Virgina
Wyoming


#14

[quote="ishii, post:5, topic:347915"]
[RIGHT][/RIGHT]

Uh, Mickey, he signed it this time. And of course the GOP legislature passed it right ? This would never have happened under a Democrat gov and legislature. Pity that you just can't give some credit to the GOP for a pro life victory. The question is why?

Ishii

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  1. Snyders signature was not required. As he said before his stance is that abortion is OK for Victims of rape, incest, and for certain health issues.

  2. It's a human victory.

ATB


#15

Nice, this will be great for all of my Michigan based illegal abortion clinics.


#16

[quote="Mickey_Finn, post:14, topic:347915"]
1. Snyders signature was not required. As he said before his stance is that abortion is OK for Victims of rape, incest, and for certain health issues.

  1. It's a human victory.

ATB

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  1. What party do the legislators belong to that passed this measure?

#17

[quote="RACJ, post:10, topic:347915"]
Those who deign to force conscientious people of faith to support the slaughter of the innocent have no morals. If someone believes that killing babies is necessary, he should contribute to a fund so pseudo-doctors can do the "job".
We pro-lifers love the woman and baby so much that we refuse to enable any "final solution" which will prey on the woman's conscience for life. :) Rob

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That will never happen. They want to force you to obey them and their wishes. And they will stop at nothing until they gain this power over you. At its heart, the left is totalitarian and the government is their god, and their sacrament is abortion.


#18

[quote="ishii, post:5, topic:347915"]
[RIGHT][/RIGHT]

Uh, Mickey, he signed it this time. And of course the GOP legislature passed it right ? This would never have happened under a Democrat gov and legislature. Pity that you just can't give some credit to the GOP for a pro life victory. The question is why?

Ishii

[/quote]

We know why. To admit such a thing would pop the bubble of the fantasy created to justify voting for abortion supporting politicians.


#19

[quote="ishii, post:5, topic:347915"]
[RIGHT][/RIGHT]

Uh, Mickey, he signed it this time. And of course the GOP legislature passed it right ? This would never have happened under a Democrat gov and legislature. Pity that you just can't give some credit to the GOP for a pro life victory. The question is why?

Ishii

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Snyder was overridden; he did not have the chance to veto it, or he would have. Also, some Democrats voted for it too. Again, this idea that ONLY Republicans are pro-life and ONLY Democrats are pro-death is ridiculous.


#20

[quote="zz912, post:18, topic:347915"]
We know why. To admit such a thing would pop the bubble of the fantasy created to justify voting for abortion supporting politicians.

[/quote]

Better you should leave the accusations out, and comment on this great victory.

ATB


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