Mike Pence vows Donald Trump's 'strong commitment' to EU


#1

news.sky.com/story/mike-pence-vows-donald-trumps-strong-commitment-to-eu-10775378

**Mike Pence vows Donald Trump’s ‘strong commitment’ to EU

US vice-president Mike Pence has asserted Donald Trump’s “steadfast and enduring” commitment to working with the EU - despite the president’s endorsement of Brexit.

Mr Pence was in Brussels at the end of a European trip aimed at providing the continent with clarity on the Trump administration’s foreign policy and its stance on Russia.

Mr Trump has endorsed Britain’s decision to leave the EU and suggested that other states might follow.

The day after the 23 June referendum, he tweeted: “Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!”

However, the majority of Scots voted to remain in the bloc.

Two months later, Mr Trump tweeted: “They will soon be calling me MR. BREXIT!”

Following talks with European Council President Donald Tusk, Mr Pence said: "Today is my privilege on behalf of President Trump to express the strong commitment of the United States to continue cooperation and partnership with the European Union.

“Whatever our differences, our two continents share the same heritage, the same values and above all, the same purpose to promote peace and prosperity through freedom, democracy and the rule of law. And to those objectives we will remain committed.”**


#2

Anyone else feel like keeping up with POTUS & VP is like watching tennis?


#3

I feel that way about the Administration in general.

From the outside looking in you could almost be persuaded to believe that no one is in communication within the cabinet. So many contradictory signals and messages :shrug:


#4

Note that the article does not quote a single full sentence of Mr. Pence’s remarks. Why is that? Because what he actually said was about a US commitment to Europe, not to the EU.


#5

No, he said quite clearly in the above:

Following talks with European Council President Donald Tusk, Mr Pence said: "Today it is my privilege on behalf of President Trump to express the strong commitment of the United States to continue cooperation and partnership with the European Union.

And he was at a press conference with Donald Tusk, President of the European Council, an institution of the EU, when he made these remarks. See the image below:

He also met the EU Foreign Minister Mogherini and the President of the EU Commission Jean Claude-Juncker.

The article quotes more than two sentences from Pence’s address, so I’m not quite sure what your talking about :shrug:


#6

:thumbsup:


#7

I now see that it does quote two sentences from Mr. Pence. However, I would still say that “the strong commitment of the United States to continue cooperation and partnership with the European Union” is not quite the same as “strong commitment to the EU.”


#8

That sounds like something Kellyanne Conway would say :slight_smile:


#9

:thumbsup:


#10

No, not all of us are analyzing every single syllable 24/7


#11

Yes but that is the way it is with Donald Trump. Trump said torture works. Which incidentally is an intrinsic evil according to the Catholic faith. His defense sec says absolutely not to torture. It would have been nice if the POTUS had spoken about the commitment to the EU as his VP did.


#12

Meaning…


#13

Obfuscation: the willful obscuring of the intended meaning of communication, usually by making the message confusing, ambiguous, or difficult to understand.


#14

The outside people generally will not be like the Americans. They would more or less take what that is being told to them. What the President said and did locally, most foreigners know those are for the home audience.

The President of China said so as much. What matters to them is when they meet face to face or when they negotiate or when they are addressed specifically and officially by their American counterparts.


#15

I think the word you are looking for “literacy.”

Paul’s point is obvious. A partnership with someone is not literally or figuratively the same thing as a commitment to them, either on a global scale or in a personal relationship.

I don’t have much issue with what Pence said, nor do I particularly endorse it, but if you are going to ignore or not understand someone’s actual point, try not to be smarmy. The board is already poisoned with enough posters like that.


#16

In the week before U.S. Vice President Mike Pence visited Brussels and pledged America’s “steadfast and enduring” commitment to the European Union, White House chief strategist Steve Bannon met with a German diplomat and delivered a different message, according to people familiar with the talks.

The sources described a long meeting in which Bannon took the time to spell out his world view. They said his message was similar to the one he delivered to a Vatican conference back in 2014 when he was running the right-wing website Breitbart News.

One source briefed on the meeting said it had confirmed the view that Germany and its European partners must prepare for a policy of “hostility towards the EU”.

cnbc.com/2017/02/21/bannon-delivered-eu-skeptic-message-before-pence-visit-sources.html

I may need to be fitted for a neck brace due to moving my head back and forth. :whacky:


#17

I fail to see the problem. We are commited to the EU. Nobody said we weren’t. As far as hostility, that seems to be an exagerated interpretation. Did Bannon say we are not commited to the EU? No, he didn’t. It appears Bannon and Pence are on the same page and this is another attempt to spread the lie there is disruption in the administration.


#18

You misunderstood. I certainly was not suggesting that Paul or Kelleyanne is illiterate.


#19

Here is Vice-President Pence’s full address

I like :thumbsup:

whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/02/20/remarks-vice-president-and-european-council-president-tusk

**VICE PRESIDENT PENCE: Thank you, President Tusk. Thank you for your warm hospitality today **

And thank you for those eloquent words and your personal courage and leadership…This morning I met with the European Union’s High Representative Mogherini. And this morning, a very constructive and productive conversation with President Tusk, and it’s an honor to be here.

This afternoon, I will meet with President Juncker of the European Commission before taking meetings at NATO at returning to Washington, D.C…

But the President did ask me to come here to Brussels, to the home of the European Union, and deliver an additional message. And so today it is my privilege on behalf of President Trump to express the strong commitment of the United States to continued cooperation and partnership with the European Union.

Whatever our differences, our two continents share the same heritage, the same values, and above all, the same purpose: to promote peace and prosperity through freedom, democracy, and the rule of law. And to those objectives we will remain committed.

This has been the European Union’s goal since before its formal founding in 1993. What began as a modest Western European trade agreement in 1951 has grown into a commitment to the four freedoms: freedom of movement – goods, capital, services, and people; a common currency; and a common approach to foreign and security policy.

And what began 60 years ago with the Treaty of Rome among six Western European nations has grown to encompass north and south, east and west; and you welcomed new states after the end of the Cold War.

**With this union and in cooperation with the United States, history will attest that when the United States and Europe are peaceful and prosperous, we do advance the peace and prosperity of all the world.

Our economies are the world’s largest – accounting for half of the world’s economic output**. Transatlantic commerce supports 14 million jobs on both continents and improves the lives and well-being of all of our citizens.

And so today we reaffirm our commitment to free, fair, and flourishing economies that undergird our success, and to cooperation in achieving that.

Maintaining and strengthening our economic vitality will require hard but necessary choices. Renewed growth means improved peace and prosperity for all. We must be strong, and we must be united, as well, in our efforts to confront threats to Europe’s security and stability.

It’s heartbreaking to reflect that now nearly a year ago, here in Brussels, in the heart of the European Union, three horrific suicide bombings and attacks took place, killing 33 innocent victims, including four Americans, injuring hundreds more.

Let me say to this community, the European community, your losses at the hands of barbaric terrorists are felt equally in every household and every heart in America. And you have our condolences and our determination to continue to do all that we can in partnership with the European Union and with all of our allies in Europe to ensure that such attacks never happen again.

We seek to take measures, and we call upon the European community to join with the United States in continuing to intensify our efforts to counter the threat of radical Islamic terrorism here on the continent.

Now, this will require greater coordination and intelligence sharing among EU member states and between the EU and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. And let me assure you, the United States is committed to continuing and expanding our collaboration on the collective security of all of our peoples.

The safety and security of your union and our people depends on that increased collaboration in the global fight against terrorism. And the United States will remain a full partner with the EU and with all of our European allies to accomplish that.

In addition to confronting terrorism together, clearly we must stand strong in defense of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of nations in Europe. In the wake of Russian efforts to redraw international borders by force, we will continue to support efforts in Poland and the Baltic States through NATO’s Enhanced Forward Presence Initiative.

And with regard to Ukraine, the United States will continue to hold Russia accountable and demand that Russia honor the Minsk Agreements, beginning by de-escalating the violence in eastern Ukraine.

We urge both sides – we urge both sides – to abide by the cease-fire that was scheduled to begin today. And in the interest of peace and in the interest of innocent human lives, we hope and pray that this cease-fire takes hold.

While the United States will continue to hold to hold Russia accountable, at President Trump’s direction, we will also search in new ways for new common ground with Russia, which President Trump believes can be found.

The United States’ commitment to the European Union is steadfast and enduring.

President Tusk, President Trump and I look forward to working together with you and the European Union to deepen our political and economic partnership. We are separated by an ocean, but we are joined by a common heritage and by a common commitment to freedom, to democracy, and to the rule of law. And we’re confident that that bond will endure and grow in the years ahead as we meet our future together.

Thank you again for your hospitality, Mr. President. And thank you all.

END


#20

Vice-President Pence stated at the end of his address:

**The United States’ commitment to the European Union is steadfast and enduring. **

President Tusk, President Trump and I look forward to working together with you and the European Union to deepen our political and economic partnership. We are separated by an ocean, but we are joined by a common heritage and by a common commitment to freedom, to democracy, and to the rule of law. And we’re confident that that bond will endure and grow in the years ahead as we meet our future together.

He said very clearly that the U.S. is committed to the EU. You seem to have a real problem accepting this :shrug:


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