[quote=CCC]Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
[quote= Pope Benedict XVI][It is true that homosexuals have] their problems and their joys, that as human beings they deserve respect, even though they have this inclination, and must not be discriminated against because of it."
“At the same time, though, sexuality has an intrinsic meaning and direction, which is not homosexual,” he said. “The meaning and direction of sexuality is to bring about the union of man and woman and, in this way, to give humanity posterity, children, a future.”
[Even though this will present a great trial] this does not mean that homosexuality thereby becomes morally right. Rather, it remains contrary to the essence of what God originally willed.
[quote=USCCB]The Catholic Church makes an important distinction between actions and inclination. While the Church is ardently opposed to all unjust discrimination on the grounds of sexual inclination, whether homosexual or heterosexual, it does teach that all sexual acts outside of a marriage between one man and one woman are morally wrong.
The USCCB continues to oppose “unjust discrimination” against people with a homosexual inclination, but we cannot support a bill – such as ENDA in its current form – that would legally affirm and specially protect any sexual conduct outside of marriage.
I think the teaching of the Pope, the bishops, and the Catechism is clear. The teaching of Scripture is clearer: Paul says pretty explicitly that those who engage in homosexual activity will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Anyway, back to what you said:
[quote=trickster]but I really work to make sure that the orthodoxy is applied in the real struggles people have on the street…
Admirable, but the correct way of doing this is to help people with their struggles, not to pretend the specific sin they have trouble with is not a sin.
when we provide narrow interpretations, it has the effect of excluding people…and that is not Christ like for sure
Excluding behavior. If a person cannot separate their behavior from themselves, then that person needs help whatever the behavior is. Look up things like the Courage thing, you can easily welcome the people without welcoming their actions.
…we need to have open hearts to our brothers and sisters who are gay…and we need to be supportive of them on a holistic basis that involves a respect for their human dignity… to attach labels of “satan” etc., is dramatic for sure…but it doesn’t address or engage the human spirit, it if anything, drives people away from the church thereby accomplishing the objectives of Satan…
Trickster (Aboriginal Concept for Transformation)
Also true, but again, open hearts and such does not mean that we pretend their sins are not sins, any more than we pretend that pornography, masturbation, or even actions stemming from pedophilia are ok for the people addicted to those things.
Sin is sin. Sinners (ie everyone) need compassion and help with whatever struggles they may have. Sinners do not need to be told that their sins are ok. This is not compassion, this is wicked dishonesty that will in the long run be harmful to them and us. Love and open hearts and all that wish that people be happy, but it doesn’t stop there, it desires the best for people, irregardless of whether this best is what their drives and desires immediately ask for.