Morality Catechism CCC 405,418 vs CCC2347

Agree 1000%. The men would come once or twice and disappear. The group went from 15-20 with 2-3 men to 5-8 woman and just me. Two men playing guitars in worship music. They say men are reluctant to do adoration. I do the utmost to honor this any time I’m in church. He gives very precise spiritual advise to people there that is very personal getting down to a persons free will.

One issue he teaches:

Matthew 10:34-39 – Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me:and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it:and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. (also in Luke 12:14-53)

It has been explained to me today that guitars, singing, preaching, praying rosary out loud is very strongly discouraged during adoration. So accusing me about being there to make friends, date people is pretty terrible, when it is untruthful. It does little to comfort me.

I would not be happy if all of that was going on at Adoration.

It’s 3 days per week. Youth, young adults, older.

Singing to guitar (quiet religious) prayers aloud, Rosary aloud, reading written word.

Notice fellowship mentioned and friendship.

Others refused to sit nearby me, enter building with others I considered friends was not allowed for me. I was falsely accused of being there to date people which is crazy.

This was after a year of attending. I was respectful every time, every day. This is perceived that I desired normal neighborhood interaction.

My intention:

Ephesians 4:31-32 31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

Matthew 18:15-17 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church."


You stated above that you are retired.

The ad you show is for a Youth Group.

In the USA, Youth Groups are for teenagers. In other parts of the world, Youth can extend to College age people.

While retirees may be volunteers/chaperones for Youth Group (provided they have followed the process put in place for volunteering with Youth by their Diocese), it would not be proper for a retiree to attend Youth Group events.

If a parish has a Youth Group, I am sure they also have adult groups.

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There are three nights:
One for teenagers

One for young adults

One for older adults.

I always attended the adult one… they are very similar groups. I didn’t send the adult one because it reveals the location and church. My point is that all adoration should be silent with no out loud Rosary, music, singing and such. Ours features two adult musicians. Actually it is very nice to sing there. I’m showing that this is all before the exposed Eucharist! These are fellowship and lay prayer group in an adoration setting. The pressure was for me leave and to go during hours where I was alone with Jesus. I also was already doing a holy hour too.

It is really hard to explain rejection there; so I humbly leave it here. Thanks for the advice.


I never attended the youth group night at any time.

Remember, I am not Catholic with no RCIA yet. I desire to be treated in a welcoming manner even though non Catholics are supposed to be welcome. I was invited there by my neighbor, I did not invite myself. I was always the only non catholic there.

Maybe they feel that a non baptized believer who can’t take communion should not approach the exposed Eucharist in prayer and that bothers them? They won’t talk.

There are no official rules, the rules for your chapel are set by the priest who is in charge.

I have been to week long retreats that took place during Adoration each evening. There are groups who meet and pray, do chaplets (like Rosaries or DMCs) who sing, the Charismatic Conferences like the Steubenville Youth Conferences have Adoration with music and much vocal prayer. A Charismatic faith healer came to our town, they did their event of a concert and preaching and praying/laying on of hands/falling out with the Eucharist exposed.

For me, silence is the most comfortable.

Please, make an appointment with the pastor. If he refuses to meet with you, google the name of your Diocese and “RCIA”. This will link you to a contact person who oversees RCIA programs from the Diocese level. Ask them to help you find a program.

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I think that is really great. I went to an Assemblies of God church a few times. I was a musician and I love hearing music. I believe like you.

I think the guy here is a little eccentric. It got very personal against me by his claims of sensing the will of the Holy Spirit.
Basically he admonished my neighbor for evangelizing me and mentoring me, an act only another man could do. Catechism 2347 in settings like friendships between neighbors is not valid for me because I’m not catholic?

My concern (This forum) has always been that my neighbor as well as me had to dissolve a friendship as neighbors far as to not even speaking to have sanctity within the group. To comply with that, I was forced out. It might be that this man is the one with improper intentions.

This is all something to discuss with the Pastor.

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My prayers are with you. From my experience as a Catholic that is getting more involved in ministry and spiritual events for people in their 20s, I have noticed that it is a very cliquey atmosphere. It took me a year to build up the courage to actually attend some things as I felt I was an outsider. After going for a few months I still felt like an outsider as nobody engaged with me but rather talked all with each other after.

What I have noticed now about a year later is that it took some time but now I am part of these groups and in fact I run multiple of these events now. What matters is not how others view us but rather the love and compassion of our Father. It has taken me a long time to realize and more importantly, accept this aspect of our human existence.

My prayers are with you and know that not all Catholics are like this, though I do agree with you that in my experience as well as the experience of one of my brothers in a Frassati group, Catholics can be very cliquey and unwelcoming in these situations. Sometimes it seems to me to be rather pharisaical.

Keep trying to engage with your faith, Jesus knows your efforts and He appreciates them! Know that He loves you!

God Bless,


Thank you so much. I am encouraged to get back in there and make the best of it. Being a born again Christian not baptized, it would be informally mentioned that Protestants are not nice. This was extremely against my families will. I am trying to find a safe place from a bad situation over there. I was the only non Catholic ever in that group even though it was on the welcome sheet on the door. I want to join a Rosary group, a bible study or something that has fellowship and acceptance to it.

I wish a priest would just baptize me already. I studied the faith and my neighbor mentored me. I would be very very happy with that.

Thanks for your kindness.

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Agreed. In the fall season I will seek advice.

I think people should be observant of people who enter the church doors. Most always there’s a discomfort in one who would enter. Many seek prayer while others come in there running from abuse, stress and discouragement. Some seek a better spiritual life. They say loneliness is a great result of our culture. You could change a life. This might be the only Jesus they will ever see. The book of Hebrews tells us we may be entertaining angels unaware. Be a friend, say a kind word, encourage someone. The church should be like family. Not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way.

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