A poster on another thread relied on the LDS “17 points of a True Church” As a mssionary, we were given a card with these 17 points. We used this a lot. But how accurate is it?
The LDS 17 Points
- Christ organized the Church (Ephesians 4:11-14)
Of course, Catholics believe this. And we believe Christ did…The problem is, the LDS believe Christ started His Church, failed, and had to start it again…
- The true church must bear the name of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 5:23)
The verse does not say this: For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
But, even assuming it does, Mormons must answer as to why their own church was called merely “The Church of the Latter-day Saints” from 1834-1838. Hard to explain why, if this was so important, why didn’t it apply back then?
- The true church must have a foundation of Apostles and Prophets (Ephesians 2:19-20)
Actually, the verse does not say it MUST. It says it HAS BEEN. Big difference. But After Jesus, there was no longer a need for a “prophet”. When Jesus left, who was the “prophet”? There was not one.
- The true church must have the same organization as Christ’s Church (Ephesians 4:11-14)
This is a huge problem for Mormons. Nowhere in the Biblical Organization do you see Wards, Stakes, Presidents, 15 Apostles, teenagers as Priests distributing the Eucharist…either it has to mirror it, or it doesn’t.
- The true church must claim divine authority (Hebrews 4:4-10)
The Catholic Church claims authority…since 33 AD
- The true church must have no paid ministry (Acts 20:33-34; John 10:11-13)
Mormons who believe their leaders are not paid are very misinformed. All the General Authorities in Salt Lake City receive remuneration for their services to the church and from the church. If they don’t believe it, they should call the LDS Church headquarters and ask. A paid ministry is not unbiblical. The entire Old Testament speaks of a paid ministry as well as I Corinthians chapter 9. Further, Nowhere does it say no one should EVER receive pay. Even as missionaries in the LDS Church, Members paid me.
- The true church must baptize by immersion (Matthew 3:13-16)
This verse only says: 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him. Now, I challenge ANY Mormon to show where it says, in this verse, that we MUST baptize by immersion. Further, where it specifically says Jesus was immersed. It doesn’t. Further, it say NOWHERE in the Bible that a person MUST be baptized by immersion.
- The true church must bestow the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands (Acts 8:14-17)
The Bible shows, however, that at times the Holy Ghost (Spirit) was received of men without mention of hands being laid on them. (See Acts 4:31; 10:44; 11:15.). Again, the LDS Church says the Bible says it MUST occur like that. It never says that.