Most common abuse at mass today.


#1

What do you think the most common abuse at Mass today is or add your own?

If more than one occurs at your parish or you have seen it you may vote for more than one.


#2

I believe that leaving right after communion with out a good reason, (emergency, etc) is the most widespread. Sometimes the church looks half-empty after communion. I think that’s like telling Jesus that you don’t have any more time for him, so see you later. Very, very disrespectful.


#3

Probably paying too much attention to others instead of what’s going on… :cool:


#4

[quote=space ghost]Probably paying too much attention to others instead of what’s going on… :cool:
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Hey ghost, are you infering that all I do is watch other people?


#5

Forgetting or not knowing that we are the creature and we are there to give adoration to our creator.


#6

Lack of reverence to the tabernacle!


#7

For me, there are three very, very common abuses -

  1. The stupid, childish rubbish of holding hands at the Our Father - ever look at the zig-zag lines of people leaning forward and backward to hold the hands of people in other pews? Besides that, it sort of makes the hand-shake at the Sign of Peace less than it should be, since holding hands is much more intimate than shaking hands.

  2. Both priests and lay people (readers) changing certain words, such as “man” and “mankind” to “people” or “human kind”.

and 3. Priests not wearing the Chasuble for weekday Mass - as if the weekday Mass was less important than Sunday Mass!

All three of these “get” me.

However, there are worse abuses - such as EMHC’s self-communicating; priests adlibbing prayers instead of reading the proper ones; absolute foolishness preached - whether by priests or lay-people (thank Heaven, I have only experienced a lay person preaching the homily once, and that when I was in another country!), etc.

There are so many abuses, that we have to “tolerate” the less horrendous ones and be thankful when there are only a few.

For a truly abuse free Mass, I love to be at a Mass celebrated by a priest of Opus Dei. You can see and feel the reverence. It’s just wonderful!


#8

Well, I think that probably the most common abuse is a combination of lack of understanding of the Mass itself–which leads to such abuses as talking during Mass, line cutting, and other irreverences–along with a sense of entitlement/ lack of sense of sin which leads to us thinking of ourselves as equal to or above God Himself–leading to priestly abuses such as changing words or illicit or invald practices as well as individual self-righteousness, impiety, or heretical practices.

Bottom line: We don’t know what we should, but we not only don’t realize it, we actually think that we know and act better than God Himself.


#9

[quote=Joan M]For me, there are three very, very common abuses -

  1. The stupid, childish rubbish of holding hands at the Our Father - ever look at the zig-zag lines of people leaning forward and backward to hold the hands of people in other pews? Besides that, it sort of makes the hand-shake at the Sign of Peace less than it should be, since holding hands is much more intimate than shaking hands.

  2. Both priests and lay people (readers) changing certain words, such as “man” and “mankind” to “people” or “human kind”.

and 3. Priests not wearing the Chasuble for weekday Mass - as if the weekday Mass was less important than Sunday Mass!

All three of these “get” me.

However, there are worse abuses - such as EMHC’s self-communicating; priests adlibbing prayers instead of reading the proper ones; absolute foolishness preached - whether by priests or lay-people (thank Heaven, I have only experienced a lay person preaching the homily once, and that when I was in another country!), etc.

There are so many abuses, that we have to “tolerate” the less horrendous ones and be thankful when there are only a few.

For a truly abuse free Mass, I love to be at a Mass celebrated by a priest of Opus Dei. You can see and feel the reverence. It’s just wonderful!
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Sadly, each of these things you mention started as an au-authorized abuse, became widespread, and are now considered a “norm”. We have abougt 250 bishops in this country… and the weak are slowly being replaced. Maybe in our lifetime some of these “norms” will be banned.


#10

[quote=davy39]I believe that leaving right after communion with out a good reason, (emergency, etc) is the most widespread. Sometimes the church looks half-empty after communion. I think that’s like telling Jesus that you don’t have any more time for him, so see you later. Very, very disrespectful.
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Guilty as charged, but I stopped doing this 2 months ago. Then I forgot it in confession… :frowning:


#11

If I am in a church overfilled to Capacity. SOmetimes I feel the urge to leave after communion if I feel ill.


#12

At our parish, its the music minister continuing to play guitar through the consecration. In addition to being a no-no it’s quite annoying.


#13

none of the choices listed is a liturgical abuse, although many are abuses of etiquette. a liturgical abuse is a persistant, deliberate situation where the celebrant disregards the rubrics and does his own thing out of motives of pride and rebellion. The most common on the part of the priest is changing the words of the parts of Mass which allow no variation. On the part of the congregation it is unworthy reception of the Eucharist.


#14

OK, I’ll bite…how about when the lector, eucharistic minister, vocalist or random young woman in the row ahead of you shows up to mass with her new belly button ring (and all the flesh from her waist to her hip bones) in full view. It’s particularly jarring when, on occasion, they bend over to fetch a purse or move the kneeler revealing string bikini or thong underwear. Hardly a liturgical abuse or grave mortal sin, but c’mon… What really amazes me is when they are in attendance with their parents and no one seemed to notice they were missing vital parts of their clothing before they walked out of their house and into God’s!


#15

How about the 16 EM’s walking up right after the sign of peace and standing behind the Priest on the altar while he continues the prayers.

Also, I really dislike the Pastoral Counselor or other non-Priest or Deacon giving the homily and trying to say it’s a talk so it’s OK. It is against the rules for anyone other than a Priest or Deacon to give the homily right?

I also don’t like the Priest singing the Gospel when it is the Beatitudes, walking all around off the altar during the homily, doing a puppet play after Communion, or passing out the Precious Blood two at at a time to the 16 EMs.

I ended up leaving my old Parish because of all of this though, so now I don’t have to deal with any of it.

Nicole


#16

[quote=Nicole]How about the 16 EM’s walking up right after the sign of peace and standing behind the Priest on the altar while he continues the prayers. Definite Abuse, and against Rubics

Also, I really dislike the Pastoral Counselor or other non-Priest or Deacon giving the homily and trying to say it’s a talk so it’s OK. It is against the rules for anyone other than a Priest or Deacon to give the homily right? You are right, absolutely right.

I also don’t like the Priest singing the Gospel when it is the Beatitudes,** (the singing of the Gospel can be quite moving acutally)** walking all around off the altar during the homily, (nope - supposed to be stationary at the pulpit) doing a puppet play after Communion, (???) or passing out the Precious Blood two at at a time to the 16 EMs. (actually the EMHCs are now a “norm”, originally an abuse, and most often just not necessary unless the priest is trying to get his parishioners to the local restuarant before the other Protestantshttp://forums.catholic.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I ended up leaving my old Parish because of all of this though, so now I don’t have to deal with any of it.

Nicole
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#17

You people must live in some strange places, is it in the water?

Mass at my Parish has none of these practices, we aren’t perfect, but darn near. Maybe that’s because most of us are poor.


#18

Poverty helps procure pioty.


#19

[quote=space ghost]Probably paying too much attention to others instead of what’s going on… :cool:
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I agree completely.

I hear about all kinds of liturgical abuses, or I should say I read about them here in these threads, but I do not see them.

Other than a few folks attempting to kneel to receive Communion and then needing help getting up and distracting people all around them, nothing much catches my attention. I sit in the front few pews and try to pray for each person receiving Our Lord. I actually saw one of these “kneelers”, hoping not to fall over, grab at Fathers arm. Of course, she missed, otherwise he would have surely dropped the paten, spilling Jesus all over the floor.

As far as the Priest is concerned, I do get annoyed at a Priest who cannot prepare a Homily and READS a canned one.


#20

[quote=Bill_A]What do you think the most common abuse at Mass today is or add your own?
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How about when my 8 year old goes up to receive Holy Communion on her tongue, as is her option, and the lay EMHC invariably tries to give her a blessing because all the little kids go up to receive a blessing. They just assume she’s not receiving because she isn’t holding out her hand. When the EMHC finally wakes up to realize that she is receiving, an attempt is invariably made to place Our Lord in her hand. What’s up with that?:whacky:


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