[quote="empther, post:11, topic:294499"]
Every letter of every word of the following has been contested by the A-team ( athiest team ) on catholic.com forums,
but not one of the A-team has explained how there could be a universe without God.
Here it all is, in stripped to the bones brevity................................. ..................
There cannot be an infinite past. Every event happened a finite time ago. At what point do you stop saying "this event happened an infinite time ago" and start saying "building of the pyramids happened a finite time ago" ? Well of course you can't do that. There is no crossover point between events an infinity ago, and a finite time ago. All events were a finite time ago.
This seems to be your private version of the Kalam Cosmological Argument. But you fail right from the start. While it is true that every single event was a finite time ago, it does not follow that time really did start. All that follows is that no event can be marked as the beginning. What you are trying to prove is that an infinite past started with an infinitely past event. But that is false. An infinite past did not start. Anyway, whether or not an infinite past is possible is not really relevant.
Time began. ( time has no substantial existence but is a mental concept used to measure change in the universe. )
I'll grant that for the sake of the argument
The universe began.
There is nothing in your argument that proves this. It depends on what exactly 'the universe' means.
The universe could not bring itself into existence. ( there is no "chance" where there is nothing to take chances. There is no "eternal quantum effect" where there is nothing for quantum mechanics to work on. )
You'll first have to prove that the universe (and not just the universe we currently experience) did actually begin. What you have argued for is that there was a time (let's call it t0) before which the universe did not exist.
The problem is: this also holds for God.
There had to be a God to start it all.
Not if 'the universe' had some sort of timeless existence beyond t0. And that's something that cannot be disproven at the moment.
Only a God who is infinite, omnipotent, omniscient, Necessary, eternal, his own existence,
could start it all.
Actually, that's impossible. A God who is infinite, omniscient, necessary, eternal etc cannot start anything, for the simple reason that to start something requires time. And since you claim (and I granted this FTSOTA) that time started, God would need time in order to start time. IOW if the KCA (or your version of it) is correct then time would have to exist both logically prior and logically posterior to God's creative act. But that is logically impossible.