Mother gets slammed for opposing "Medal of Honor"

Mother gets slammed for opposing “Medal of Honor”

abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=7618065

I guess it just goes to show who and what gamers and the companies that cater to them are: vile, exploitative, unfeeling monsters who will do anything to satiety their own sense of enjoyment.

I ask that people not buy this game. I’m not against all war games, but a company which treats the fallen war dead and their family as such does not deserve support.

Jeff Brown from Electronic Arts Corporate issued a statement saying, “I think this is all nonsense generated by people who haven’t played a video game in the last 20 years.”

What an unfeeling, despicable human being.

Wow kind of a knee jerk reaction dontcha think? First you call all gamers “vile monsters” and then you call a member of EA despicable for defending his company’s game!

I am and avid gamer, and there are a ton of regular guys just like me who love gaming. We are not monsters, or vile, or anything else of that kind. The difference between the gamers and the mom, is that she probably doesn’t know what the actual game is about besides from news stories. As far as I know, the only time players use terrorists forces is in the multiplayer, and that should be for obvious reasons. Call of Duty 4 did the exact same thing, and it even had a nuke, and a presidential assassination.

The Medal of Honor series have always sought to honor and praise all soldiers through the campaign story, and have honored the dead by their heroic depictions of soldiers in their MoH series. Call of Duty has done this as well.

Simplifying the issue to “Oh you get to play the taliban and kill US troops!” is ignorant and misleading. Medal of Honor has never done that. Players have been fighting as nazi soldiers vs US soldiers for ages in past MoH and CoD games, and WW2 vets haven’t complained. After all, it’s just the multipler. The actual story mode is about the heroic actions of US troops during major historical battles and other fictional battles.

If you wish to criticize the game, please read up on it, and don’t slam gamers for the actions of a few.

I am not 100% comfortable that the game allows players to play as the Taliban… but I agree that you are being very uncharitable in your description of gamers. We are not all “vile, unfeeling monsters” :frowning:

I am extremely shocked at being called a vile, exploitative, unfeeling monster who does anything to satisfy my own sense of enjoyment. I’ll admit, many gamers act that way. But not even half. And it’s not at all exclusive to gamers. Please think before you say something like that. It’s probably the most offensive thing I have ever had said to me, even if it was aimed at all gamers.

The part about “playing as the taliban?” I bet it’s in the multiplayer, not the main story. Meaning you have a game of cops and robbers, and can play the robbers. That’s all shooter multiplayer is, really. And that’s what games like airsoft are too. I don’t think too many people go out and think “yes! I can finally play as the taliban in a game! I’m gonna kill me some American soldiers!”

Now, I do sort of agree that it isn’t the time for this game. People’s family members are dying in a war that is still very close to everyone. I also think that SOME PEOPLE are treating that woman extremely poorly, to say the least (we should have nothing but respect for military parents). But I don’t find it as offensive as some people (read as “that news station”) are making it out to be. All I’m thinking right now is “Mass Effect all over again.” The mainstream media really has a way of taking video games out of context.

[quote="mikecrook, post:1, topic:209780"]
Mother gets slammed for opposing "Medal of Honor"

abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=7618065

I guess it just goes to show who and what gamers and the companies that cater to them are: vile, exploitative, unfeeling monsters who will do anything to satiety their own sense of enjoyment.

I ask that people not buy this game. I'm not against all war games, but a company which treats the fallen war dead and their family as such does not deserve support.

Jeff Brown from Electronic Arts Corporate issued a statement saying, "I think this is all nonsense generated by people who haven't played a video game in the last 20 years."

What an unfeeling, despicable human being.

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This sounds like the classic case of an individual gets offended and then demands everyone cater to her demands. I am sorry she lost a son in the War, but that has nothing to do with some video game. If she doesn't like it, she doesn't have to play it or, if she chooses to play the game, then she can stick to playing the 'good' guys.

It goes without saying that in any team game that involves a 'good' and 'bad' side (everything from children playing cops and robbers in the backyard to video games set in WW2 or the War on Terror), someone has to play the 'bad' side.

Now, obviously, the internet 'hate' campaign is wrong, but if this mother was trying to get the government to force EA to 'shelve the game for a few years' (from the article, I can't tell whether she was calling for EA to shelve the game on their own or trying to get some governmental authority to take action), then I can at some level understand the anger because it is frustrating in our society where someone complains and then the government steps in and limits freedom. Again, though, such a 'hate' campaign laden with insults is wrong, but so were insulting comments by the OP.

Also, how many people does EA employ? If they shelve the game, how many people may lose their livelihoods?

[quote="mikecrook, post:1, topic:209780"]
Mother gets slammed for opposing "Medal of Honor"

abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=7618065

I guess it just goes to show who and what gamers and the companies that cater to them are:** vile, exploitative, unfeeling monsters** who will do anything to satiety their own sense of enjoyment.

I ask that people not buy this game. I'm not against all war games, but a company which treats the fallen war dead and their family as such does not deserve support.

Jeff Brown from Electronic Arts Corporate issued a statement saying, "I think this is all nonsense generated by people who haven't played a video game in the last 20 years."

What an unfeeling, despicable human being.

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This is REALLY an uncharitable post! :mad: How dare you categorize anyone like that? Knock it off! :mad:

I’m sorry, but an official company spokesman responding to the criticisms of a grieving mother “I think this is all nonsense generated by people who haven’t played a video game in the last 20 years,” is the very definition of uncharitable and deserves my response.

Only a vile, uncharitable human being would even say such a thing.

Like I said, I’m not specifically against war games per say, but it is quite obvious that games and the game industry at large hide behind the moniker “It’s only s game” to shut down any criticism or discussion. Movies, books and music can be openly criticized and condemned. Why not videogames?

I see companies like EA taking the current Afghan war and profiteering off the deaths of innocents and soldiers as well as the enemy.

I’m sorry that you are so desensitized to see just how disgusting this game is.

All’s fair as long as it gives you amusement, right? “If it feels good, do it! No boundaries” Is that it?

I’m saddened that young people today don’t have any barriers and find anything beyond reproach. I’ll keep you in my prayers.

Is a livelihood made from immortal means worth having? Would you make child pornography if it meant your livelihood?

Why don’t they make a game where you work as an aid worker in Afghanistan, instead of just another faceless soldier?

That’s pretty much all the game is going to boil down to judging form the trailer. Just shooting human beings and shooting more human beings. Even real soldiers do more than that.

[quote="mikecrook, post:7, topic:209780"]
I'm sorry, but an official company spokesman responding to the criticisms of a grieving mother "I think this is all nonsense generated by people who haven't played a video game in the last 20 years," is the very definition of uncharitable and deserves my response.

Only a vile, uncharitable human being would even say such a thing.

Like I said, I'm not specifically against war games per say, but it is quite obvious that games and the game industry at large hide behind the moniker "It's only s game" to shut down any criticism or discussion. Movies, books and music can be openly criticized and condemned. Why not videogames?

I see companies like EA taking the current Afghan war and profiteering off the deaths of innocents and soldiers as well as the enemy.

I'm sorry that you are so desensitized to see just how disgusting this game is.

All's fair as long as it gives you amusement, right? "If it feels good, do it! No boundaries" Is that it?

I'm saddened that young people today don't have any barriers and find anything beyond reproach. I'll keep you in my prayers.

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I don't think you understand why people became upset after reading your post. In your OP, you called gamers "vile, exploitative, unfeeling monsters who will do anything to satiety their own sense of enjoyment."

You didn't say that the gamers involved in the story were vile; you just said that gamers were vile in general. You defend your remarks by saying that the EA spokesman was uncharitable first, but what did the rest of us do to deserve these comments?

[quote="mikecrook, post:8, topic:209780"]

Why don't they make a game where you work as an aid worker in Afghanistan, instead of just another faceless soldier?

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Because it would be a boring game and would not be profitable.

Hmmmm...

I'm sitting here wondering what one of my best friends who died in Iraq would say...

The following comes to mind... But he's dead, so I won't know for sure... But I can just HEAR it!

1) It's a free country. Yeah, I helped with that... Whatever...

2)It's FUN to play war on a screen. Way less scary than actually being shot at...

Then he'd probably come up with some ideas on how to make the game harder. Things like, toss sand randomly into their controls so they jam up and they can't play, only the game keeps going, and they can't start over.

Turn up the house heater as high as it will go, get into all your warm clothes, put on a gas mask, and THEN play for hours.

Honestly, I can't even watch a war movie anymore. I can hardly tolerate a documentary on any wars. I don't find anything about wars or violence of any kind entertaining. I realize that most people I know, have NO idea what it's like to lose a person to a war. I don't think it's the same as in WW1 or 2, or Vietnam when EVERYONE knew someone who died. Everyone you know at some stage of healing. It's really hard to go on like everything is normal. "Oh, your best friend died. Sure take 2 days off for the funural. Oh, you don't know when the funeral is? Oh? The gov't hasn't returned his body yet? Well, let us know.

It's really a disgusting feeling. But it is reality, and we'll go on...

If people want to make light of war. Well, so be it. It seems that war will part of our worldly existance forever. May as well, get numb to it.

[quote="mikecrook, post:7, topic:209780"]
Like I said, I'm not specifically against war games per say, but it is quite obvious that games and the game industry at large hide behind the moniker "It's only s game" to shut down any criticism or discussion. Movies, books and music can be openly criticized and condemned. Why not videogames?

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Because video games don't work the same way as movies, books, or songs. Video games require interaction. That's why they're called video games. You know you can't make any progress in a video game by just sitting around doing nothing... right?

With that said, no matter how story-oriented a game is, the standards by which they are judged are still slightly different from other arts. Sorry but this argument of yours is flawed.

[quote="kamaan, post:10, topic:209780"]
Because it would be a boring game and would not be profitable.

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Unless you're a real gaming genius and can make a simple-minded concept such as that into something on the level of Fatal Frame, Patapon, or Okami.

Sad to say, novelties like that are really rare. Good luck making a game like that and not have it turned into another Peace Corps recruitment ad. :rolleyes:

You mean ‘immoral’, right? My understanding is that the Church has never condemned these sorts of video games, so there is nothing objectively immoral about it. Obviously, child pornography is both highly objectively immoral (even adult pornography falls in this category) and is also illegal; thus, your comparison fails.

Again, what angered me (and others it appears) was that you launched into a insulting rant against all video game players and makers. If you don’t like these games, don’t buy/play them and, if you have minor children, you are free to limit/deny their use of games, but the fact you don’t like these kinds of games does not render them immoral.

I have to admit, you come across quite poorly (I don’t mean that as a personal insult, I am merely basing it off of your behavior in this thread). First, you condemn EA and others for being uncharitable, but then you engage in an extremely uncharitable language. Next, you compare video games to child pornography.

[quote="mikecrook, post:8, topic:209780"]
Is a livelihood made from immortal means worth having? Would you make child pornography if it meant your livelihood?

Why don't they make a game where you work as an aid worker in Afghanistan, instead of just another faceless soldier?

That's pretty much all the game is going to boil down to judging form the trailer. Just shooting human beings and shooting more human beings. Even real soldiers do more than that.

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This further confirms that you do not really know what you are talking about when it comes to games. I think everyone who says these things about war games has never played one. They aren't just shooting, there is a story. The previous Medal of Honor games (WWII ones) were very good about presenting historical context for all of the levels. One of them (Rising Sun) even had documentary-like cut scenes interspersed throughout the game. The series has generally struck a very heroic tone about fallen soldiers. My favorite is still Rising Sun. That's the first time I've ever learned some history from a video game.

Like I said, I'm not specifically against war games per say, but it is quite obvious that games and the game industry at large hide behind the moniker "It's only s game" to shut down any criticism or discussion. Movies, books and music can be openly criticized and condemned. Why not videogames?

Well, why was "The Hurt Locker" (imdb.com/title/tt0887912/) not treated the same way as this? It's a movie, and it' about a current war. I'm sure there were actors playing the terrorists. Are they wrong to do that? It's no worse than what will be happening in this game. Again, "cops and robbers." The fact of the matter is that games are a matter of much misinformation among people who don't play them. I agree with the EA man there, but not with the way he said it. I think this is something that is being handled wrong by both sides. As for the "it's just a game" defense, that has not been used yet by anyone here to the best of my knowledge. I think that this too misses the point. It's not so much that "it's just a game," more that "it's not a terrorist simulator/murder simulator/everything that video games have unfairly been characterized as in the past." Let me ask you: would you prefer if they got rid of the taliban element and made the multiplayer US army vs. US army?

I'm sorry that you are so desensitized to see just how disgusting this game is.

All's fair as long as it gives you amusement, right? "If it feels good, do it! No boundaries" Is that it?

I'm saddened that young people today don't have any barriers and find anything beyond reproach. I'll keep you in my prayers.

More broad brush comments here. I am a young person. I DO have boundaries on what I consider appropriate game content. If this game was something like "manhunt" or grand theft auto," both disgusting games, I would not support it. I might actually say the same thing about the way you have been posting: You are desensitized to how rude and hurtful your comments are; It seems like you're right, so no boundaries on how you say it. Video games CANNOT be characterized as child pornography. I think you ought to think about the number of people you have unfairly made akin to people who watch that filth, and even people who make it. That is beyond anything that I would expect from someone here. You will be in my prayers as well.

[quote="faithfully, post:11, topic:209780"]
Hmmmm...

I'm sitting here wondering what one of my best friends who died in Iraq would say...

The following comes to mind... But he's dead, so I won't know for sure... But I can just HEAR it!

1) It's a free country. Yeah, I helped with that... Whatever...

2)It's FUN to play war on a screen. Way less scary than actually being shot at...

Then he'd probably come up with some ideas on how to make the game harder. Things like, toss sand randomly into their controls so they jam up and they can't play, only the game keeps going, and they can't start over.

Turn up the house heater as high as it will go, get into all your warm clothes, put on a gas mask, and THEN play for hours.

Honestly, I can't even watch a war movie anymore. I can hardly tolerate a documentary on any wars. I don't find anything about wars or violence of any kind entertaining. I realize that most people I know, have NO idea what it's like to lose a person to a war. I don't think it's the same as in WW1 or 2, or Vietnam when EVERYONE knew someone who died. Everyone you know at some stage of healing. It's really hard to go on like everything is normal. "Oh, your best friend died. Sure take 2 days off for the funural. Oh, you don't know when the funeral is? Oh? The gov't hasn't returned his body yet? Well, let us know.

It's really a disgusting feeling. But it is reality, and we'll go on...

If people want to make light of war. Well, so be it. It seems that war will part of our worldly existance forever. May as well, get numb to it.

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Do you realize that our military uses similar "games" or video simulators to train our troops in combat fighting?

It sounds like you are still grieving and I am sorry for your loss. But it sounds like you need a "soft" target to place your anger towards. These games though, are not the cause of your loss.

Can’t really KNOW a person in the military without knowing they use simulations.

Never said the games are a cause for loss. Please don’t marginalize. Our loss of Soldiers is within an utterly horrifying situation. Something that goes WAY beyond a tv screen and really cool graphics. I don’t need a target for anger. I’m not angry. Granted, II did feel angry when it happened. Absolute hatred for people like Sadam. They cause problems that we shouldn’t even have to deal with. I’m very sad “about my loss.” There are times I wish he could just be home with the rest of those lost, and let the middle East destroy itself.

Seriously, as I said… my friend lost in Iraq would say WHATEVER! Really, If a person wants to waste hours playing a game… it’s a free country. Heck, I’m sitting here on my computer on a Sat. morning…

I PERSONALLY don’t like anything war/violence related. I’ll extend my control over my household… I’m content with that… But I’m pretty sure I’m still allowed to have the opinion that games like this are basically tasteless. They wouldn’t be the only thing in the world I find tasteless…

I think the videogame is being more criticised for the ability to play as Taliban rather than the fact that it is current.

I am a fan of past Medal of Honors, especially the "golden duo" of Frontline and Allied Assault, and I agree with this mother actually.

The reason I agree is because EA have dropped the WW2 motif for commercial purposes and instead of, say, letting gamers play medal of honor style games based on the Korean War or Vietnam or even the Gulf War, they have delibratly choosen the Afganistan war because it is controversial and current.

Call of Duty already did this itself, being of greater scope. But for a fan of the originals, Frontline, Allied Assault and even Heroes(on my psp), this is nothing but cheap selling out simply because WW2 is no longer popular in shooter games and modern warfare is(especially the game Modern Warfare). I agree WW2 has been done to death, but they really could have illuminated other wars which I know little about. I would like to play an MOH style game based on Korea as I know nothing about that war.

Instead they choose afganistan and controversy, especially with the choice to play taliban. I would have loved to see "Medal of Honor: Vietcong" or korea.

[quote="colliric, post:17, topic:209780"]
I think the videogame is being more criticised for the ability to play as Taliban rather than the fact that it is current.

I am a fan of past Medal of Honors, especially the "golden duo" of Frontline and Allied Assault, and I agree with this mother actually.

The reason I agree is because EA have dropped the WW2 motif for commercial purposes and instead of, say, letting gamers play medal of honor style games based on the Korean War or Vietnam or even the Gulf War, they have delibratly choosen the Afganistan war because it is controversial and current.

Call of Duty already did this itself, being of greater scope. But for a fan of the originals, Frontline, Allied Assault and even Heroes(on my psp), this is nothing but cheap selling out simply because WW2 is no longer popular in shooter games and modern warfare is(especially the game Modern Warfare). I agree WW2 has been done to death, but they really could have illuminated other wars which I know little about. I would like to play an MOH style game based on Korea as I know nothing about that war.

Instead they choose afganistan and controversy, especially with the choice to play taliban. I would have loved to see "Medal of Honor: Vietcong" or korea.

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Doing something Non-WW2 makes sense since it has already been done over and over again (Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Battlefield 1942, etc.) and there have actually also been Vietnam games (Vietcong, Battlefield: Vietnam, etc.). I know there a mod for BF 1942 for the Korean War and also the first Gulf War and there have been a couple of games based on the first Gulf War, but you are right when you say there aren't that many games based on those two wars.

In terms of Afghanistan and the Second Gulf War, it makes sense that games would be made based on them since they are current and in the news. In a way, it's only controversial because people make it so. Deep down, one almost wonders if EA likes it that this woman is making noise since now more people will wonder what the issues are and may buy the game to see.

It was like when there was the hubbub over "The Da Vinci Code". I know one reason I ended up buying the book was because I wanted to see what was so controversial. Then I wanted to read "Angels & Demons" and now I am a big fan of Dan Brown and have read some of his other books--obviously, I realize he is a writer of FICTION and thus recognize that his historical claims are without much, if any, merit. quite often.

[quote="Alexander_Smith, post:2, topic:209780"]
Wow kind of a knee jerk reaction dontcha think? First you call all gamers "vile monsters" and then you call a member of EA despicable for defending his company's game!

I am and avid gamer, and there are a ton of regular guys just like me who love gaming. We are not monsters, or vile, or anything else of that kind. The difference between the gamers and the mom, is that she probably doesn't know what the actual game is about besides from news stories. As far as I know, the only time players use terrorists forces is in the multiplayer, and that should be for obvious reasons. Call of Duty 4 did the exact same thing, and it even had a nuke, and a presidential assassination.

The Medal of Honor series have always sought to honor and praise all soldiers through the campaign story, and have honored the dead by their heroic depictions of soldiers in their MoH series. Call of Duty has done this as well.

Simplifying the issue to "Oh you get to play the taliban and kill US troops!" is ignorant and misleading. Medal of Honor has never done that. Players have been fighting as nazi soldiers vs US soldiers for ages in past MoH and CoD games, and WW2 vets haven't complained. After all, it's just the multipler. The actual story mode is about the heroic actions of US troops during major historical battles and other fictional battles.

If you wish to criticize the game, please read up on it, and don't slam gamers for the actions of a few.

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Look, I play video games as well, but EA's response was COMPLETELY insensitive. If they really do honor the soldiers that have lost their lives, then they would at least honor and respect the mothers that raised them.

I am a recently converted Catholic, and I am starting to think that video games are a waste of time. Why would you spend hours playing video games when you could be reading so many good Catholic books?

[quote="Mike5575, post:19, topic:209780"]
I am a recently converted Catholic, and I am starting to think that video games are a waste of time. Why would you spend hours playing video games when you could be reading so many good Catholic books?

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Sorry but I take offense at that. Now I'll have you know, I just got back recently from a three-day retreat with my classmates. During that time, I managed to get around reading some "good Catholic books" and frankly, they are still nowhere as relaxing as blowing stuff up on a screen.

So yeah, I'd rather spend hours playing video games after a long day of trying to carve up my writer's block than add more to my headaches thank you very much.

Oh and FYI? I'd like to see you possess enough creativity to produce entertaining gameplay mechanics, interesting artistic concepts, and an attractive plotline. I'm not sure its charitable to label the people who pour their resources into making something that sophisticated, as people who "waste time".

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