Muslim micracle - Imam Ali saves Christian Bishop

For many people in Iraq, the worst and the most hellish days are when they face armed attack from one of the gangs operating in Baghdad. However, for a Christian Bishop, the same day proved to be the most blissful day of his life! Fifty-year-old Father Thamir Nasrani was intercepted by an armed group that opened fire on him in one of the suburbs of Baghdad. He fell on the ground bleeding profusely and the gang bolted out after the assault. The police took their own time in reaching the site of the incident accompanied by an ambulance. The medical assistance team tried hard to stop the acute bleeding while he was rushed to the hospital in the ambulance. The doctors at the hospital concluded that there is no use in providing further medical assistance to Father Thamir because he had sunk into the unconsciousness of inevitable death. They decided to keep him in the mortuary refrigerator. But a miracle happened there!

Father Thamir states, “While I was completely unconscious, I saw two persons with light emanating from them towards heaven. One of them was more charming and radiant than the other. This man told me, Get up and follow me.’ I asked him, 'Sir, who are you?’ He did not respond but he repeated his order. I immediately got up and started walking behind him slowly. We were walking between two rows of people unknown to me. At the end, a door appeared and he stopped there. He turned towards me and said, ‘Stop here and don’t come with me.’ Then he disappeared through that door.

At that moment, I suddenly woke up and found myself in a refrigerator among dead bodies! I was extremely scared. But after composing myself, I got up and opened the door of the room. I walked down the passage for a while and found my relatives and friends crying with a coffin lying nearby, which they had brought to carry my body for burial! They seemed to lose track of everything when they saw me alive.

But soon they surrounded me and started yelling and calling for doctors. Doctors and nurses could not believe their eyes when they saw me alive. They were baffled by my survival after so many hours and soon shifted me to the operation theatre to extract bullets from my body and for further treatment and blood transfusion.

The doctors felt that what happened to Father Thamir is a miracle as they are unable to understand the reason for his survival. As for Father Thamir, he was haunted by this mystery for months until he chanced upon the right answer!

Father Thamir states, “I was recovering slowly from my physical injuries, yet I kept asking myself about the person whom I saw in the mortuary refrigerator and what actually happened to me. This question was hovering on my mind day and night and I was not able to get an answer. Hence, I kept praying to God to guide me to the answer.” “Once, one of my friends asked me to accompany him to visit his Muslim friend who was residing in the Kazmia region of Baghdad – a holy city of Shia Muslims where two Imams, Musa al- Kazim and Muhammad al- Jawwad, peace be upon them, are buried. While we were in Mr. Naseer Hassan Ali’s house, my friend turned towards me and said, “How about relating your story to Mr. Naseer?” I said, “Sure”.

When I finished my narration, Mr. Naseer inquired, “Do you remember the features of the person whom you saw in your dream?” I said, “Yes”. He said, “If I show you some pictures, will you be able to recognize him?” I said, “Of course, as long as he is one among them”. Mr. Naseer brought some pictures and asked me to have a look at them. While browsing through the pictures one by one, I exclaimed, “Oh my God, this is him!” He asked me, “Are you sure?” I said “Yes, this is him. Please tell me who this person is?” He replied that this was Imam Ali, peace be upon him!

I couldn’t believe that because even though I was a tolerant Christian, I was a firm believer of my religion. My forefathers were the ones who wrote the Holy Book and my family has a tremendous history of serving the church.

It was quite difficult for me to believe that the person whom I saw and who breathed new life into me was Imam Al i , the cousin of Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him and his family) and husband of his daughter, Fatima al-Zahraa (peace be upon her). This was so distant from my Christian belief.

While I was still in this state of bewilderment, Mr. Naseer asked me, “What about visiting the sons of Ali, Imam Musa and Imam Jawwad along with us in the Holy House. There you can talk to them and do some soul searching. I readily agreed.

I really wanted to know the truth and as soon as I reached the Holy House with two golden domes towering over it, my heartbeats appeared to signal something to me. I prayed to God and I felt as if my soul is soaring towards heaven and that I was very close to Imam Ali. In simple words, I felt as though everything was leading me spiritually towards him as if the God was telling me “The truth is with Imam Ali”.

Since then, the bond between Father Thamir and Mr. Naseer, who heads a religious committee that organizes street processions on religious occasions, grew stronger. Father Thamir, by virtue of his relation with Mr. Naseer, was researching Shiite sect of Islam, the history of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his family), the history of Imam Ali and the history of his sons and their teachings.

Father Thamir says, “I strongly believe that Islam is the religion which God wants us to follow and Shiite faith is the true way of Islam. When I read the story of Imam Hussain’s (peace be upon him) martyrdom, I wept bitterly and became a fanatic admirer of him! Eventually, I decided to abandon

Christianity to embrace Islam despite all the sufferings this will bring along and in spite of many sacrifices that it will require. The barbaric incident which I suffered was a message from God to know the truth and believe in it.

Father Thamir decided to visit the Holy City of Karbala, where Imam Hussein (peace be upon him) was martyred with his brothers and companions after the famous war of al-Taf which they fought against the dictatorial government ofYazid bin Muaawiya.

It was a historic moment when Father Thamir Nasrani entered the holy Shrine of Imam Hussein with Allama al-Sayyed Mahdi al-Shirazi where thousands of people were assembled to catch a glimpse of him. When he reached the door, Father Thamir prostrated and kissed the doorstep crying and loudly saying “O my loved one, O Hussein!” Then, he stood up and asked for the sacred tomb of Imam Hussein to kiss it and seek blessings.

The satellite channel al-Anwar broadcast an interview with him. In that interview, he invited Christians from all over the world to convert to Islam, the religion of love, peace and justice. He clarified that he intended to be a dedicated servant of Imam Hussein (peace be upon him) and that he had been chosen to be the follower of the Revered Ayatullah al Uthma al Sayyed Sadiq al Shirazi.

One among the most impressive clips of the meeting is Father Thamir ’s message in Syriac language to his mother who lives in United States in which he told her crying, “Dear mother… I became a Muslim because Islam is the truth, I pray to Lord to protect you and lead you to this as He did with me. I love you mother.”


Well, the Bible does say there will be lying signs and wonders in the last days that would deceive even the very elect.

if this is a lying wonder that deceived a Christian Bishop, how could you be sure the divinity of Jesus isn’t a lying wonder which deceived Paul and in turn has been deceiving Christians for the past 2000 years

I’m sure it is Truth because there were many witnesses to the resurrection of Christ. And the apostles were martyred for their faith in Jesus as the Son of God, their Saviour. Paul was but one of the disciples of Jesus. He was not the sole writer of NT scriptures. This conspiracy that Paul made up Jesus’s messiahship is nothing more than an attempt to discredit the Bible. Jesus was seen by hundreds after he had died and these people suffered tortureously rather than recant their faith. Tell me would you die for something you knew did not happen? Paul was beheaded for his faith, for his belief in the resurrection.

Hi Josie, I’ll admit I don’t know much about the early history of Christianity, would you be kind enough to open a new thread and answer the following questions, we could then engage the topic in more detail.

  • How many witnesses were there to the resurrection?
  • Did they all believe he was the son of god at that point?
  • which apostles were martyered for their faith in Jesus as the son of god? where can I find this record
  • of those that suffered tortureously, were they asked to recant their faith in Jesus as a diety? or Jesus as a messenger of god? and what evidence is there to support the claim that they died because of their belief in the divinity of Jesus

i’m curious to know what you make of Father Thamir’s dream and subsequent conversion to Islam. Do Christians acknowledge miracles happen in other faiths or do they believe they are wondrous lies

I’ll think about it famdigy, however, if you go to a couple of Catholic sites like Catholic Answers (the on-line Library), or New Advent, which is basically a Catholic encyclopedia you’ll find what you’re looking for.

I couldn’t believe that because even though I was a tolerant Christian, I was a firm believer of my religion. My forefathers were the ones who wrote the Holy Book and my family has a tremendous history of serving the church.

That’s the biggest indication that this story is a fabrication.

Famdigy, that statement in bold text is just not true.

How can we independently confirm that the bishop was a real Catholic bishop? Where did he attend seminary? Who ordained him a priest and then, later, a bishop? Unless and until we verify the authenticity of the bishop, we can not consider the actual merits of this story.

Do not rely on photos and news footage, they can be doctored or staged.

Not necessarily chrisse, you’d be surprised at people’s ancestry through intermarriage and migration patterns.

Although the prophet of Islam was an arab, we have people from India and Persia who claim to be descendants of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH & HF) this is to be expected as the prophet’s family migrated from Arabia to persia and then to the Indian subcontinent. Father Thamir’s ancestry is likely not very different.

famdigy: Establish with certainty that this bishop was a Catholic bishop. Establish the seminary he attended. The years he attended and when he was ordained a Catholic priest. Also give us the path to verify your evidence.

If he is a bishop:

*]Of which diocese is he the bishop ?
*]When was he ordained bishop ?
*]When was he ordained to the priesthood ?
*]And which bishop ordained him priest ?
*]Why is he called “Father” if he is a bishop ?
*]To which Rite in the Church does he belong ?
[/LIST]I searched for him on

The site provides information not only about past bishops, but about those who are bishops at present, & about those who are due to be ordained bishop.

These were the results
*]Your search - Nasrani - did not match any documents
*]Your search - Thamir Nasrani - did not match any documents
[/LIST]It seems not unreasonable to suppose that Thamir Nasrani, if he exists, is not a bishop of the Catholic Church; though he may (again, assuming him to exist) be a bishop of some other Church. Which makes it difficult to accept the story about the conversion to Islam of a Catholic bishop named Thamir Nasrani.

Bishop Alberto Rivera, S.J., anyone :slight_smile: ?

Since the making of graven images, which includes the likeness of any man, is expressly forbidden by Islam, how would they have an accurate likeness of him at all? There are no likenesses of Mohammad. Why should there be any of Imam Ali?

Gottle: Thank you for your speedy response. You have done all of us a grand favor. Great work! :clapping:

that’s only true with Sunni Islam, there is no law forbidding images in Shia theology.

The same Alberto Rivera who inspired the Jack Chick tracks. I have heard of him, what a scam artist. I believe his ministry is still around, continued through his wife/widow.

There are many other elements in the narrative that seem strangely out of place fail and fail to ring true. I was particularly amused with the description of the man leaving the morgue. Sounds more like he was leaving a dull party than trying to escape a black coffin-like place. I’d also be interested om verification of where this man served as a bishop. I did some searching, and can’t find anything about him. As Christians, we know that this story is a lie. As fiction, it’s surprising they couldn’t manage a more convincing story.

PS. Yes…why are there “images” in that apartment anyway? It is my understanding that images of this nature are blasphemous to those of the Islamic faith?

The report says Father Thamiri addressed his mother in Syriac, i’m inclined to believe he is either a former member of the Syriac Orthodox Church or the Syriac Catholic Church. Although there is no mention of him being catholic in the report.

Oh really? How about showing us some public photos of Muhammed, photos displayed on Mosques, along the streets and in homes.

for starters I have a liking of Muhammad’s (PBUH&HF) grandson Hussayn (as) on my signature, and SAM posted others of Imam Ali (as) and his children here

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