[quote="GaryTaylor, post:12, topic:284808"]
Not my point,
You had written, "Alawite's[Syria] venerate her though I don't know exactly how." I was pointing out how using that sect as evidence of Muslims venerating St. Mary was problematic because Allawites are not really Muslims.
Mary "Immaculate Conception" and the Quran are, in a word.
What do you mean?
the Historical Dating of the Immaculate Conception is my concern. :thumbsup:
Are you seeking to find out whether the immaculate conception dates back to at least the seventh century AD, as data to be brought to the table in discussions with Eastern Orthodox?
There's a bit in Islam on Mary through History also.
"Every child is touched by the devil as soon as he is born and this contact makes him cry. Excepted are Mary and her Son".
Ahh, thanks, that's the material I had in mind.
From this Hadith and from verses 35-37 of Sura III, Moslem commentators have deduced and affirmed the principle of Mary's original purity. God, in fact, according to the Koranic text, granted the wish of Anna who consecrated to him Mary, about to be born, and the One to whom she would give birth (III, 37). God predestined Mary and purified her, raising her above all women (III, 45).
After this premise it is not surprising that the dogma of the Immaculate Conception, though only implicitly contained in verses III, 31, 37, is univocally recognized by the Islamic religion. The recognition arises without difficulty also from the repeated and always unanimous evaluation of the extraordinary person of Mary and of her pure life (III, 42; XXI 91; LXVI, 12) which set her, with her Son, above every other created being.
Mary's childhood, as seen through the Koran narration and Islamic tradition, is entirely a miracle. Mary grows under direct divine protection, she is nourished daily by angels (III, 32) and has visions of God every day. Everything contributes to making her and her Son a signum for mankind (V, 79; XXI, 91; XXIII, 50). But if the detailed narration of Mary's childhood confirms the exceptional value of her person, it is necessary to stress that the greatness of Mary is completely related to the extraordinary event constituted by the birth of her son Jesus....etc etc etc.
Thanks for citing this material too. One wonders why, in the Muslim framework, God decides to do such great things for Jesus and St. Mary rather than Muhammad and Amina, when Muslims believe that Jesus was sent only to the Jewish people but Muhammad to all of humanity? :confused: