My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?


#1

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

Does anyone else feel this way sometimes? :(:shrug:
Why did God leave us in such a painful world? …even Christ ask his Father to remove his cup of agony in the garden.

We can ask the saints to pray for us, but better still I wish I could just ask God to end all life and bring us back to him in heaven instead.


#2
  1. Yes, I feel like that often.

  2. The answer is that God must see something worthwhile in this world, despite all the pain and suffering. And since the World is His, He can keep it around as long as possible.


#3

But that is just so harsh, why can’t it just end because of all the pain?


#4

Suffering is here to teach us our finiteness, our weakness, and even our guilt.

“The Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.”


#5

A woman goes thru terrible pain before giving birth to a child. Should we just not have children? There is a lot of pain but also a lot of good. For whatever reason God thought this world was worthwhile to die for and is still worthwhile. Why don’t you ask God and see what HE says?


#6

But what about people who are born into an abusive life and even die that way? There is just no end to the pain…


#7

I say this; have no children, then finally we will all perish (the human race) and at last we will all be with the Lord, our God and no one will suffer, because no one will be born to this Earthly hell…


#8

Zundrah, you should look at this Care Note for Catholics sometime. It really explains well how suffering can bring us closer to Christ:

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If you can’t find one at any of your local churches, you can buy one online. It’s only 59 cents plus shipping and handling.


#9

I was actually quoting Isaiah: " The night is darkest before the dawn, and the labor pains are most severe before the birth." The devil’s attacks are the strongest before a miracle happens, the darkness, immorality and evil in this world will be most severe before Christ comes down. Why God allows certain things to happen, like the suffering of the innocent, is beyond my knowledge, however God does turn tragedy into a miracle. My advise to you, is to concentrate on the good in life and to continue to do God’s will and rely on Him for your protection. Let God be God and handle these things. So Zundrah----Let not your heart be troubled.


#10

Zundrah,

Jesus taught us to comfort the afflicted, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick and those in prison. If that is what He expects from us mere mortals, how much more will He comfort the afflicted, whose very lives stand in judgement of human selfishness and sin? If you feel moved to compassion, then God is moved Infinitely more. I trust in Him.


#11

This is a nice way to look at it, after all we are called to carry our crosses just like Christ did. I’m sure I remember reading this in the bible; “If you love me then carry your crosses like I did”. (or something like that!)


#12

So Zundrah----Let not your heart be troubled.

I feel terrible for saying such dark and hopeless things…
If I was honest then I would tell you that I feel like I have commited mortal sin by even saying what I did in the OP.

…if I believed solidly in Christ, the son of God, then surely I will not let my heart be troubled? It seems as though my faith is much weaker than I thought.


#13

We did it to ourselves. Human nature before the fall was a complete divine relationship with God supporting and animating it. The fall separated God from our nature and we were left to the animalistic nature of the materiel world. Except for the soul we were given that is the Image and Likeness of God, we have the base nature we were created from, as does everything in creation. This will be rectified in Christ at the end of time.

The entire universe was effected as God’s animating essence that sustained everything in a divine nature was lost. Pain and death was stayed by God and after sinning, we surely did “die the death”: “And the serpent said to the woman: No, you shall not die the death” Genesis 3:4 Douay-Rheims. It appears he was right unless you see the spiritual aspects behind it.

Original justice of pre-fall Adam and Eve will be just a tiny resemblance of what the Beatific Vision will be. Our life of grace is only a foreshadowing of what God has in store for the “New Heavens and New Earth”.

A continued study of the saints will make a more complete view possible and prayer will confirm it. Kinda like all Catholic teaching in fact, read, pray, and you will know.


#14

Zundrah, the questions you ask are not from having weak faith. They have been asked by every human since the Fall of man. It’s perfectly natural and normal to ask why, why, why is there suffering in the world. I don’t know that anyone has come up with the definitive answer, but many have tried. I recommend the book “Making Sense of Suffering” by Peter Kreeft.


#15

I have a complicated question though; why if Eve and Adam sinned are we being punished for it? Why are we paying the price fir their sin!?


#16

We all ask why this is, why we suffer, but really we should be asking how, how is it that we may find peace? The answer is Christ; he is our peace, at last.


#17

Zundrah -

Yes - I’m sure many, many, many people (myself included) have felt like this more than the world realizes.

I agree with many of the things posted here - especially the ones about “darkest before the dawn, labor pains are worst just before the birth, etc.”

Don’t worry about questioning the strength of your faith - If people never questioned the strength of their faith, it would mean they didn’t care about their relationship with God. Take the questioning as a good sign, and ask for your faith to be strengthened. I ask all the time.

I do believe that Christ is coming soon…until then, we get “to wait in joyful hope”. (which is really, really hard!)

This is from a song, and I can’t remember the reference/author/etc…it’s comforting to me, and I hope it can be a comfort for you, too…

Peace be to you, and grace from Him
who freed us from our sins.
Who loved us all, and shed His blood
that we might saved be.

Sing holy, holy to our Lord.
The Lord Almighty God.
Who was and is, and is to come.
Sing holy, holy Lord.

Rejoice in Heaven all ye that dwell therein
Rejoice on Earth all saints below.
For Christ is coming, is coming soon,
For Christ is coming soon.

E’en so Lord Jesus, quickly come.
And night shall be no more.
They need no light, nor lamp, nor sun.
For Christ will be their all.


#18

When the darkest of nights envelope us, the brightest of stars will shine over you if only you just “knock”.

P.S. I have heard of this song, we use to sing it in my methodist church except that the part that mentioned saints was left out! :eek::blush:


#19

the reason I think God doesn’t take away suffering while we’re on earth is so that thorugh it, we can be sanctified, share in the Cross, and earn merit for Heaven :slight_smile:

He will take it away one day though…

and we can trust that in all our sufferings, He is with us, and He knows what it’s like to suffer, since He took the worst of it.

God bless hugs


#20

From the Catechism:
404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”. By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” - a state and not an act.

405 Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

406 The Church’s teaching on the transmission of original sin was articulated more precisely in the fifth century, especially under the impulse of St. Augustine’s reflections against Pelagianism, and in the sixteenth century, in opposition to the Protestant Reformation. Pelagius held that man could, by the natural power of free will and without the necessary help of God’s grace, lead a morally good life; he thus reduced the influence of Adam’s fault to bad example. The first Protestant reformers, on the contrary, taught that original sin has radically perverted man and destroyed his freedom; they identified the sin inherited by each man with the tendency to evil (concupiscentia), which would be insurmountable. The Church pronounced on the meaning of the data of Revelation on original sin especially at the second Council of Orange (529) and at the Council of Trent (1546).29


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