[quote=terrcatholic]Franciscum, That is a horrible view of Traditionalists, as if you have done reading, from both sides, you can make more of an argument for the Traditional Mass than having the New Mass said. Groups like Saint Pius X I feel have been labeled incorrectly. If you read the council documents, Pope Paul VI and the council fathers never intended for what has happened to have happened as the pedulum has gone way far to the left and needs to come back to the right and settle somewhere near the middle. These people have been hurt by what has happened and they have not gone out and formed a new religion like Luther, but are actually holding the teachings and the mass as it was said before Vatican II, and in some ways that is admirable.
First, the SSPX is not Catholic, and I don’t treat them as such. They are an extremely devisive group that is seperated from the Church.
Poppycock! The SSPX did go out and form what amounts to another sect outside the Church. You are sadly mistaken.
By the way, what is a “Traditionlist?”
[quote=terrcatholic]These Traditional Groups were forced away without warning from a belief they hold so dear to them, and I know many of them that , because they believe so strongly in the nourishment of the mass, rent out halls, with their own money, and have an independent Traditional (or in some cases Parish priest who can get himself in trouble like the Priest in Texas) come in and say the TLM. Can you imagine, a priest has to come in under the cover of darkness just to say a Mass that was the Mass for centuries? IT makes many like myself what is actually going on? The last group of nations that tried suppression of religion was the communists, and intelligent people start to say, hey, why is this mass being suppressed, is there something that the establishment fears? Reminds me of when I went to Rome on my honeymoon going into the catacomes to see where the early christians worshipped, that is what they have been relegated to and it is not fair in my view as I also have a family friend, a Priest who left his Parish to join Saint Pius X because he said that he was being told and encoraged to perform things he felt were not acceptable to church teachings as far as the liturgy, but he would not tell me what they were.
Not so. I won’t even address the SSPX any longer because it’s not Catholic. As to those Catholics who “rent out halls” for the Tridentine Mass, etc. – they are precisely the type of people who suggest for the most part that the Tridentine Mass is a cure for all ills, yet all they are doing is causing more problems by being devisive.
Renting out halls sounds very Protestant to me – don’t like the church? just start your own!
[quote=terrcatholic]Many in my group of churchgoers go out to Traditional Chapels to hear the mass, they dont belong nor would I, but the prayers and the sacredness is a thing of beauty, and the worship for our Lord undenied. I have read all the books about the Protestant intent of the new mass, and I dont think that is totally true, but sometimes where there is smoke there is fire.
What’s a “Traditional Chapel?” Almost sounds like a new sect of Protestantism? Your comments about the “new mass” underscore your ignorance on the subject. I can just imagine what “all the books” means. Yuck. I’ll bet that does not mean the Bible, the CCC, the Code, the Early Church Fathers or the encyclicals of Pope JPII. I smell a Rose…
[quote=terrcatholic]I do question though why our Holy father took almost 20 years from 1970-1988 to “allow” an “indult” which is still hard to get implemented and said, and that is only with permission from the Bishop, most of whom were seminarians in the 60’s and 70’s during the extreme changes and are extremely liberal in nature and liturgy and dont want anything to do with Tradition or the old TLM. But there is an extreme resurgance and I do think it will come back totally, maybe in the next 10-20 years. No it is not going to make people more religious, but it may bring back our Traditional Bretheren…
Your comments from the last section pretty much defined you. No need to waste keystrokes here…
What I will say is the often bitter and just plain odd behavior of many “traditionalists” is the #1 reason why many bishops are unwilling to allow or expand the indult.
The last thing the Church needs are people who want to divide the Church. Look at your own comments. You refer to “Traditionalists” but not “Catholics” Scary…