People need to stop being so critical of what the OP says.
Edited by moderator and be a little more receptive of what the OP, a non-Catholic, mind you, says. The OP obviously has little experience with Catholicism, and doesn’t know how easy some Catholics get butt-hurt over the methodology of phrasing we tend to use. The intelligent thing to do is not to bash and show how much you know; rather, it is to use your own experience being Catholic and in an elegant manner infer what the OP means, and respect the OP’s opinion regarding the mass.
Yes, it’s the same sacrifice of mass whether its a Novus Ordo (OF) or a Tridentine mass. The OP never said that it was not. I’m willing to bet the OP might not even understand what the concept of the “sacrifice” of mass even means. I’m speaking from a convert’s perspective.
We Catholics tend to be very touchy about our masses and how they’re discussed. Maybe we should have a lighter presumption from the start and assume that non-Catholics who show a real interest in Catholicism are NOT, in fact, trying to say that anyone is less Catholic than anyone else. I might add that if you are complaining about someone labeling someone else as irreverent, and that labeling is in error, that you are labeling all the same when you accuse this person of being some Novus Ordo hater.
I’ve noticed that “modern” Catholics are just as judgmental, if not more so, than “Traditional” Catholics, all in the sake of what is perceived to be a “defense” on the particular use of the Latin Rite that one prefers. This bashing of the OP is a manifestation of that phenomenon. Now, shall we show a little support of the OP? News: YOU weren’t at the mass in question. The OP was. Considering that this person has not shown an ounce of spite for Catholicism, it’s safe to assume that the OP is speaking from a rather non-opinionated (at least as far as modern/Traditional-loving person goes) viewpoint.
The OP is presenting a completely valid argument. The OP said that the Novus Ordo mass did not seem as reverent as the Tridentine masses that the OP had attended in the past. That is the gist of the post. But there is nothing that says that the congregation at the Novus Ordo mass was any less reverent than the congregation at those Tridentine masses. However, it is PERFECTLY valid to say that the congregation at the Novus Ordo mass SEEMED less reverent than the congregation at the Tridentine masses. That is a statement of outward appearances rather than inward actualities, and it requires no knowledge of the people in question.
I suppose that someone will complain why I capitalized “Traditional” and not “modern,” but I really don’t care.
It is absolutely true to say that there are multitudes of Novus Ordo masses that do not come anywhere near the reverence that one could observe at even the most simple Tridentine mass, and I don’t feel the need to bring out some survey to prove this, and I will not. This is the case because of the natural “burst,” if you will, of excitement and frenzy following Vatican II and the release of the 1970 Missale Romanum. Things are going to take time to settle down. Things are going to take time to even out. Things are going to take time to “get back to normal.” We, as both modern AND Traditional Catholics, need to remember that the 1970 Missale Romanum is NOT a departure from the 1570-1962 Missales Romanum; rather, it s a continuation of it, a building-on of it. As Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger would say, and later as Pope Benedict XVI, it is part of the “hermeneutic of continuity.”
The use of Latin, the ringing of bells, the thunderous organ, the chant, the incense, are all a norm in the Tridentine mass. Now, let’s not get too judgmental again: I know that incense is not used at low mass. (I felt like I had to insert that disclaimer to prevent some weak rebuttal). Anyways, these things appeal to the senses. Senses are what make us human. Therefore, they possess a mystical teaching power. They invite us. They remind us of our humanity, and at the same time our sharing in Christ’s divinity. These things make us shut up and stare at the beauty. All of these things can be used in the Novus Ordo mass just as they are obligatory (in various levels of applicability) in the Tridentine mass. These things can be used with respect to all the world’s cultures and musical traditions. Unfortunately, a lot of Novus Ordo lovers have taken most of these things out of a great deal of Novus Ordo masses. If we can get back to these things, back to our roots, back to what reminds us of our humanity and at the same time of our sharing in Christ’s divinity, we can say without a doubt that all our Novus Ordo masses will be reverent and we won’t have to have spiteful threads like this anymore!
I hope everyone enjoys :D.