I mentioned it is inappropriate to criticize Donald Trump (or anyone else) by severing their words from the context.
I specifically cited the duplicity of the “poll” mentioning that the “poll” asked . . .
Do you favor or oppose Donald Trump’s proposal to bar Muslims from entering the U.S.?
When in fact Donald Trump REALLY said . . . .
“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States, until our country’s representatives can figure out what the he** is going on."
I assume you agree with my point don’t you??
Also concerning your post 12 quote concerning Mr. Bolton, it is irrelevant what Mr. Bolton thinks about Mr. Trump when my whole point was to critique what a person is saying and not a straw man.
By the way, concerning your post 12, you correctly said (my emphasis) . . .
Conservative John Bolton, former United States Ambassador to the United Nations slammed Donald Trump’s proposal to temporarily ban all Muslims from coming to the U.S., calling it “completely wrong.”
Bear with me here Sy Noe because I think, in a back-handed manner, the quote you offered MAKES my point.
Because not only did your quote correctly characterize the “until” of Mr. Trump’s proposal (you correctly said: “Donald Trump’s proposal to temporarily ban all Muslims”), but also the Boston Globe CORRECTLY cited Mr. Trump’s quotes in the Boston Globe ARTICLE (here) stating (emphasis mine) . . .
A former United States Ambassador to the United Nations slammed Donald Trump’s proposal to temporarily ban all Muslims from coming to the U.S., calling it “completely wrong.”
Yet in the interview itself the Boston Globe interviewers **did NOT ask this question to Bolton! **
The “Globe” ASKED Bolton the broader question about a Muslim ban, with NO MENTION of a temporary situation!
The Globe on-air question to Bolton, was different than what was printed.
(Go back and listen to it at about 10 minutes or so. I did. And the Globe IN THE ACTUAL INTERVIEW, did NOT cite the “until” nature of Donald Trump’s statement).
The Globe REPORTED this DIFFERENT (in writing) than what they had ASKED Bolton about (on air).
This is the exact same problem I mentioned with “the poll”.
Now you might say: “Well Bolton is a smart guy. He KNOWS what Trump said.”
And with that you might be right (or you might be wrong).
But this situation is still inappropriate.
Why? Because the radio listening audience or the internet readers of the Boston Globe MAY NOT know these differences.
I think this was sloppy reporting in this case by the Globe.
Look. I’m not defending (or attacking) Mr. Trump here.
And what Mr. Bolton states may or may not be be irrelevant as to how I as a voter weigh these issues.
What other “conservatives” or “liberals” say or write may or may also not be relevant too.
I try to focus on ideas. Not a personality or “party line”.
So appealing to “Conservative" John Bolton isn’t necessarily persuasive to me. I am much more interested in the ideas than the person or how a given person is “painted” into a liberal or conservative ideology.
Actually, I think you may have missed my whole point.
My point was NOT to put forth some “conservative” political position here on this thread.
My point was also not to see how many articulate and possibly influential people agree or disagree with “Trump” either (however influential Mr. Bolton as a person may or may not be).
“Hmmm. Let’s see. 15 guys agree with Trump.
38 guys (including Bolton) disagree.”
My point was just the flaw in the poll, and the need to respect the principle of truth and take the honest context of a point (no matter WHO makes the point) then criticize (or laud) the honest point. That’s all.
Critique ideas and evaluate those ideas fairly.
But don’t beat up on a “straw-man”.
I think this “poll” beat up on a straw-man.