Near occasion of sin question


#1

As far as my understanding goes, putting yourself in a near occasion of sin for a mortal sin is a mortal sin itself (unless there’s some extenuating circumstance) no?

My understanding of near occasion of sin is that it is putting yourself in a situation where you think you’ll end up sinning to the point of basically being able to assume that you will (but you may end up not sinning for whatever reason). Is this right?

What I don’t understand here is precisely how putting yourself in a near occasion of sin can often be a mortal sin in itself at a practical level.

Doesn’t mortal sin require “deliberate consent” that means that someone has to realize and intend to put themselves in a near occasion of sin, knowing they are gravely sinning by consenting to put themselves in that situation, even before they’re in it right?

I just don’t see how this happens often for someone intent on not sinning. Like if there’s a situation you consider where you feel you’ll be tempted to commit a grave sin, sometimes the tendency is to underestimate the level of temptation and think you can handle it with God’s help, but sometimes we mis-judge situations and end up sinning. Are these mis-judgements sins? Or simple mistakes that unfortunately resulted in sin?

In order to sin mortally by not avoiding the near occasion of mortal sin you would have to believe at the time that such a situation was a near occasion of sin before you even entered it right (in order to consent to enter it)? Without this I don’t see how there is deliberate consent for someone who simply misjudged the situation, does this make sense?


#2

Terms such as “near occasion” are fairly general. You have to educate yourself and make judgements accordingly. A spiritual director can help you in this regard.
But a sin is not a sin until it is committed in your heart or in the world.


#3

(re-posting an older post of mine)

Occasions of sin…

There are all sorts of remote occasions of sin in life…all sorts of possible good things that one can do --where there is a possibility that some temptation and occasion of sin may come.

Normally we are not “obliged” to avoid* “remote*” occasions of sin.

We simply cannot avoid all such things nor are we usually obliged to do so. We would have to knock ourselves unconscious…

What then is a “near” occasion of mortal sin that we are to avoid especially?

It is not simply temptation (though let us seek to avoid temptations).

A near occasion of mortal sin is such where one would generally falls into mortal sin -one generally commits a mortal sin (or even always!)–or is what is likely to cause one to commit a particular mortal sin now. Due to the nature of thing itself or ones particular personal weakness.

Though there can at times be good reasons to be in them…ones confessor can guide one or those that cannot be avoided (involuntary) (necessary occasions…which one still tries to make more remote…)

Those are general principles one can apply. Ones confessor can guide one. In specifics.

So can it be sinful to put oneself into a near occasion of mortal sin? Or remain in one? Yes. (it may be venial or even mortal or yes even not a sin depending on the reasons and particular danger…talk with your confessor about this).

A clear example of when such would be a mortal sin could be -(with full knowledge and deliberate consent) when I am morally certain that if I put myself into circumstance Y that I will commit mortal sin Z. And I do so with that needed knowledge and consent.

*Ones confessor can advise. *


#4

A “near occasion of sin” is just that, a near occasion. It isn’t in itself a sin. If it were sinful, then it would simply be called “sin.”


#5

It can YES be sinful- in itself - for one to enter or remain in a near occasion of sin.

See post above.


#6

Sorry, I don’t buy it.

And your post certainly isn’t very clear about the subject.


#7

If it can be sinful to “enter…in a near occasion of sin,” they why wouldn’t we just say that that action is sinful in itself? Why would we call it a “near occasion” which specifically means something that isn’t in itself sinful?


#8

You do not have to “buy” anything…this is free.

Tis Catholic Moral Theology.


#9

Because it is not yet the sin in question that it is a near occasion of.


#10

Because it is not yet THAT sin.

A near occasion of say the sin of bank robbery is not yet bank robbery.

As noted - it “can” be a sin - to enter or remain in that near occasion of sin of bank robbery. Not the sin yet though of bank robbery.

There can be justifying reasons where it is not a sin to enter or remain in such a near occasion (though one is to seek to do what one can - such as prayer etc to lessen the temptation).

Because it is not yet that sin in question - but a near occasion of that particular sin - and there can be justifying reasons to enter or remain in such near occasions (often called “necessary occasions”). A confessor can advise.


#11

That is exactly what I wrote in post #4.


#12

In terms of the sin that the “near occasion of sin” referring to - yes.

But that is not what the OP is asking about.

He is referring to the sin of remaining in a near occasion of mortal sin.

Yes THAT can be sinful.

Remaining in a near occasion say of bank robbery is not yet bank robbery.

But it* can *be yes sinful to remain in that near occasion.


#13

The “near occasion of sin” is when we put ourselves closer to temptation–closer to possibly crossing the line of sin.

The point of avoiding sin isn’t, “let’s see how close we can get to the line without crossing over it.”

Love for God should mean, “let’s stay as far from that line as is reasonably possible!”


#14

So, a near occasion of bank robbery is not equivalent to bank robbery, but it can be the equivalent of bank robbery if one remains there?

Nonsense. It either* is* bank robbery or it *isn’t. *

One cannot be guilty of a sin unless they commit it, in the exact same manner that one cannot be charged with bank robbery unless one actually robs the bank.


#15

If being in a bank while the money is being counted makes a person want to rob the bank, then it is a near occasion of sin to go at those times and put oneself in direct temptation.


#16

And I still maintain that one is not guilty of a sin unless they commit it. Temptation is not a sin.


#17

Temptation is not a sin but putting yourself in a position to be strongly tempted, is a sin.
Jesus was tempted by satan but didn’t place himself in that condition.


#18

That is logically nonsensical.

If temptation is not a sin, then being in a state of temptation cannot be a sin, either.

One must commit an act in order to be guilty of sin.

What you are suggesting is that one can be guilty of a sin even though one does not commit the act. How is that possible?


#19

And that act is willfully putting your self in the line of fire.
Say one has issue with chastity, it would not be prudent for such a person to take a stroll through a porn shop. Continuing on with such behavior will end in sin.


#20

And if one does* not* continue with such behavior, where does that end?

Honestly, how many times has it been stated on this site what is involved in guilt of serious sin?

It must be grave sin,
You must know that it is grave sin,
You must freely choose to follow through with it.

One can be tempted to sin without following through with it. That is what is meant by something being a near occasion of sin.


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