Need Fatima Facts


#1

Fatima.

Mass hysteria. Atmospheric anomaly. Widespread ocular distress.

70,000 eyewitnesses.

Some reports on site:

Lisbon newspaper O Dia, on October 17, 1917 –

At one o’clock in the afternoon, midday by the sun, the rain stopped. The sky, pearly grey in colour, illuminated the vast arid landscape with a strange light. The sun had a transparent gauzy veil so that the eyes could easily be fixed upon it. The grey mother-of-pearl tone turned into a sheet of silver which broke up as the clouds were torn apart and the silver sun, enveloped in the same gauzy grey light, was seen to whirl and turn in the circle of broken clouds. A cry went up from every mouth and people fell on their knees on the muddy ground…

Dr. Almeida Garrett, of Coimbra University –

*It must have been nearly two o’clock by the legal time, and about midday by the sun. The sun, a few moments before, had broken through the thick layer of clouds which hid it, and shone clearly and intensely. I veered to the magnet which seemed to be drawing all eyes, and saw it as a disc with a clean-cut rim, luminous and shining, but which did not hurt the eyes. I do not agree with the comparison which I have heard made in Fatima—that of a dull silver disc. It was a clearer, richer, brighter colour, having something of the luster of a pearl. It did not in the least resemble the moon on a clear night because one saw it and felt it to be a living body. It was not spheric like the moon, nor did it have the same colour, tone, or shading. It looked like a glazed wheel made of mother-of-pearl. It could not be confused, either, with the sun seen through fog (for there was no fog at the time), because it was not opaque, diffused or veiled. In Fatima it gave light and heat and appeared clear-cut with a well-defined rim.

The sky was mottled with light cirrus clouds with the blue coming through here and there, but sometimes the sun stood out in patches of clear sky. The clouds passed from west to east and did not obscure the light of the sun, giving the impression of passing behind it, though sometimes these flecks of white took on tones of pink or diaphanous blue as they passed before the sun.

It was a remarkable fact that one could fix one’s eyes on this brazier of heat and light without any pain in the eyes or blinding of the retina. The phenomenon, except for two interruptions when the sun seemed to send out rays of refulgent heat which obliged us to look away, must have lasted about ten minutes.

The sun’s disc did not remain immobile. This was not the sparkling of a heavenly body, for it spun round on itself in a mad whirl. Then, suddenly, one heard a clamour, a cry of anguish breaking from all the people. The sun, whirling wildly, seemed to loosen itself from the firmament and advance threateningly upon the earth as if to crush us with its huge and fiery weight. The sensation during those moments was terrible.

During the solar phenomenon, which I have just described in detail, there were changes of colour in the atmosphere. Looking at the sun, I noticed that everything around was becoming darkened. I looked first at the nearest objects and then extended my glance further afield as far as the horizon. I saw everything an amethyst colour. Objects around me, the sky and the atmosphere, were of the same colour. An oak tree nearby threw a shadow of this colour on the ground.

Fearing that I was suffering from an affection of the retina, an improbable explanation because in that case one could not see things purple-colored, I turned away and shut my eyes, keeping my hands before them to intercept the light. With my back still turned, I opened my eyes and saw that the landscape was the same purple colour as before.

The impression was not that of an eclipse, and while looking at the sun I noticed that the atmosphere had cleared. Soon after I heard a peasant who was near me shout out in tones of astonishment: “Look, that lady is all yellow!”

And in fact everything, both near and far, had changed, taking on the colour of old yellow damask. People looked as if they were suffering from jaundice, and I recall a sensation of amusement at seeing them look so ugly and unattractive. My own hand was the same colour. All the phenomena which I have described were observed by me in a calm and serene state of mind, and without any emotional disturbance. It is for others to interpret and explain them.*

Eye specialist Dr. Domingos Pinto Coelho, as reported in Ordem

The sun, at one moment surrounded with scarlet flame, at another aureoled in yellow and deep purple, seemed to be in an exceedingly fast and whirling movement, at times appearing to be loosened from the sky and to be approaching the earth, strongly radiating heat.

Request:

Can someone provide unbiased supporting material which could be used to objectively and factually point-by-point verify the several oft-cited salient issues raised in this matter:
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*]The precision with which the phenomena was publicly predicted (date, location, and time-of-day) three months prior to the event;
*]the generally similar public testimony concerning the event reported throughout most of the substantial and diverse eyewitness populations (both localized and geographically-diffuse);
*]the apparently unnatural and spectacular nature of the explicit events independently and publicly described; and
*]the reports from secular media of that day which seem to corroborate the claimed phenomena.
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Again, I need solid, direct facts, suitable for rigorous academic scrutiny; which will severally and conclusively confirm/deny the forgoing historical points. The immediacy of online material is preferred; as the information/resources elucidated here will be used as exemplary matter for others in disparate geographic locations.

Thanks :slight_smile:


#2

Does this help? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracle_of_the_Sun#Critical_evaluation_of_the_event

There aren’t many sites that give the type of information that you are asking for. I don’t think you can find the newspaper articles online, although, many sites have quoted, or sited them.

I think the secular reports are the best unbiased evidence of this.:slight_smile:


#3

I don’t think you will do this subject justice by grabbing some online material and then subjecting that to “academic scrutiny”. In the one case, you’re looking for something “immediate” – that sounds like a webboard argument. In the other case, you want academic quality.

If you want to study this topic carefully and with detail, you really should read several of the many (hundreds?) of books written about the Fatima apparitions. Within those texts you will find what you’re looking for. Plus, you will be much more well-grounded with your answers – rather than relying on some material posted on the web.


#4

I’ll throw this out. Science may or may not be able to answer questions dealing with the “what.” They can’t answer “why.”

Thats important as well.


#5

@e-catholic:

Thank you for your thoughts.

Newspaper reports are always good; as they generally carry a branding of impartiality in the public mind. A full answer to my request would indeed encompass one or more online citations listing all of these resources.

@reggieM:

If you want to study this topic carefully and with detail, you really should read several of the many (hundreds?) of books written about the Fatima apparitions. Within those texts you will find what you’re looking for. Plus, you will be much more well-grounded with your answers – rather than relying on some material posted on the web.

I am not interested in becoming an expert in the whole affair: I simply need, at the very least, a complete listing of the disparate reputable secular recordings of the event as it was witnessed by 70,000 in October 1917.

It would seem only natural to me that a resource of this kind (which concerns one of the most spectacular and significant miraculous demonstrations of all time) would be available for ready inspection via a central (online?) agency somewhere within Church.

Indeed, I believe to expect less is to ultimately consider the Church negligent and wholly inept in Her promotion and preservation of those expressions which would seem invaluable in this era of widespread skepticism.

Thank you again.


#6

It is natural to think it ‘should be’ but the reality is that it isn’t.
Totally objective ‘reports’ do not, apparently, exist.


#7

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