I was talking on another forum here at CAF about apparitions of Mary… and the poster said that the Fatima apparitions are not actually Our Lady because of the Miracle of the Sun… he said, the Miracle of the Sun is a lot like what it says in Revelation about the ‘beast’ making ‘fire fall down from heaven’.
(you might have seen this thread if you go to the “non Catholic religions” forum)
Another apparition was being discussed too, but it’s one that’s not approved by the Church,
I was wondering, what do you all think about Fatima and the Miracle of the Sun? How can it be said to be DIFFERENT than what Revelation says? I think in context, it is different… but can anyone help me out? This has been bothering me actually.
Here is the passage from Revelation:
The Beast out of the Earth
11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666.
If it’s a beast that is supposed to come ‘out of the earth’, then it can’t be a spirit pretending to be Mary, I think it must be a man. Also, it says that the purpose of the mark is so that “no one could buy or sell” unless they have the mark… and this is completely unrelated to the Mary apparitions. Also, there’s mention of the other beast who was almost killed, but lived, and how this new beast would have an image of him made, and the image would speak… again, I can’t relate this to anything.
the ONLY thing that still bothers me, is the part about the fire coming down from heaven.
Here is what happened in Fatima:
According to many witness statements, after a downfall of rain, the dark clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disk in the sky. It was said to be significantly less bright than normal, and cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds. The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern, frightening some of those present who thought it meant the end of the world. Some witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became “suddenly and completely dry.” The miracle was attributed by believers to Our Lady of Fátima, an apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to three young shepherd children in 1917, as having been predicted by the three children on 13 July, 19 August, and 13 September 1917. The children reported that the Lady had promised them that she would on 13 October reveal her identity to them and provide a miracle "so that all may believe."
According to these reports, the miracle of the sun lasted approximately ten minutes. The three children also reported seeing a panorama of visions, including those of Jesus, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and of Saint Joseph blessing the people.
It doesn’t really sound like “fire came down from heaven to earth”… when I read that part in the Bible, I always imagine it to be actual fire. Not the sun. If it was the sun, it would have said so…
but then this next part bothers me:
John Haffert (author and founder of the Blue Army of Fatima) explains the meaning of the Miracle of the Sun as a vision of the Great Chastisement. The two hundred witnesses he personally interviewed while researching his book “Meet The Witnesses” reported similar descriptions of the sun careening towards the earth and a sense of the end of the world. He compares this description to a Roman Catholic Church recognized vision of the Blessed Virgin Mary on October 13, 1973 to Sister Agnes Katsuko Sasagawa in Akita Japan Our Lady of Akita, in which she recorded: “As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead.” "Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, in June 1988, approved the Akita events as “reliable and worthy of belief” due to several extraordinary miracles that took place supporting the authenticity of the apparitions as well as investigations conducted by the local Bishop Ito
I think it’s a good guess that the miracle of the sun refers to a possible future chastisement… But what I’m wondering is, how is this different from what Revelation says? because in this quote, it says “fire will fall from the sky”
Does anyone have any ideas?