Netherlands to set up ‘safe abortion fund’ after Trump pulls support (Irish Times)


#1

The Dutch government has said it will set up and seek support around the world for an international “safe abortion fund” to offset the effect of US president Donald Trump’s decision to ban federal funding for international NGOs that offer abortions.
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The move prompted an angry response from the Netherlands’ international development minister, Lilianne Ploumen, who said she was “deeply disappointed” by Mr Trump’s decision
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The Dutch government has not said how much money it will commit to the new fund, but Ms Ploumen said the aim should be “to compensate for this financial blow as far as possible”.

As part of an initial fundraising drive, she said she would immediately contact EU ministers and governments in Latin America to discuss the establishment of the fund.

irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/netherlands-to-set-up-safe-abortion-fund-after-trump-pulls-support-1.2951136


#2

Whatever did people do more than eight years ago?


#3

See here for a related issue:-

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_on_Waves

I was less than pleased when the ship mentioned turned up in Irish waters trying to offer abortions there. Portugal did what we should have done in Ireland and blocked the ship from entering their waters with a Naval vessel.


#4

They may want to save their money. Their new bill from NATO is in the mail.:smiley:


#5

Netherlands is all about exporting and promoting a culture of death … they have been that for a long time … so this is no surprise …

I guess all the libs can stop wringing their hands now … someone has stepped into the fray to kill the innocent children for the women of the world … :shrug: … now they can move along to the next imaginary issue :wink:


#6

I guess these days you can count on the Dutch to fund and promote the mass murder of innocent babies…the murder of the sick and elderly…
Their population is declining. The Netherlands as we know it won’t exist forever. I personally think there’s a pretty good chance that in a hundred years the territory they currently occupy will be Netherstan - a land ruled by Sharia law. The native white population will have aborted, contracepted, and euthanized itself out of existence.


#7

English speaking Historians will blame the Catholic Church for not doing enough to save Westrtn civilization.


#8

Or rather the current Dutch government, which is about as hostile as they come. It is currently under heavy threat of being ousted (albeit by another party which is problematic for other reasons).

Dutch law is currently uniquely flamboyant when it comes to enforcing ideologies.


#9

:thumbsup:


#10

We have a free Catholic monthly newspaper here called “Alive”: not sure if ir is online.

A horrendous article I wish I had not read, re alcoholics being euthanised.

It is haunting me.

Life means nothing to these folk; they have no hope of anyone overcoming addiction, no compassion, no HUMANITY


#11

Well played :thumbsup:


#12

Yep. I read the account of a Dutch alcoholic man who was murdered in this fashion by their government. He enjoyed a “last meal” with his brother, who fully supported his state-sponsored death, which involved alcoholic beverages…no joke.
In a few decades I can imagine “death booths” on the streets. You simply walk up, swipe your credit card, step in, and bam…within seconds your body is eradicated…as if you have never been. Sounds like sci fi…but where we are now would have been unthinkable a few decades ago.


#13

Despite all the predictable histrionics on this thread the abortion rate in the Netherlands is one of the lowest in the world and less than half that of the USA which remains one of the very few countries where abortion on demand is permitted.


#14

Probably because of their strong emphasis on sexual education and promoting safe sex in their schools.


#15

Sounds like the perfect society. :rolleyes:


#16

There is a list posted here on CAF of the actions that President George W. Bush did to end U.S. Federal government fund of abortion.


#17

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7971545


#18

But here is a supplemental list of pro-life accomplishments of the Federal Government:

  1. Appointed Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court. The appointments resulted in the upholding of the federal partial-birth abortion ban by a 5-4 decision.

  2. Reinstituted the Mexico City Policy, begun by the Reagan Administration and reversed by the Clinton Administration (when Congress tried to reinstitute the policy, Clinton vetoed the bill), that bars foreign aid funding to groups that perform or advocate for abortions. In 2003, the Bush Administration expanded the Mexico City Policy to include not just funds dispensed by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), but also the State Department.

  3. Discouraged advancement of pro-abortion legislation by announcing early in his administration that he would veto legislation that threatened pro-life policy.

  4. Signed the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act, which made it a federal crime not to treat babies who survive abortion.

  5. Signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban of 2003.

  6. Signed Unborn Victims of Violence Act, recognizing the unborn child as a separate crime victim if injured or killed during an assault.

  7. Cut off all federal funds to the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) for its involvement in China’s one-child policy which includes forced abortion and sterilization. President Bush sent a fact-finding mission to China which found that the nation’s one-child policy was indeed coercive in nature and that the UNFPA was an integral part of implementing that policy, placing the UNFPA in clear violation of the Kemp-Kasten Amendment that prohibits any aid to any program that involves forced abortion or forced sterilization. Tens of millions of dollars that otherwise would have gone to the UNFPA were redirected to maternal and child health programs.

  8. Thwarted efforts at the United Nations to promote abortion by instructing U.S. delegates to state at every appropriate opportunity that America does not regard anything in any document before the U.N. to establish any international right to abortion.

  9. Issued Executive Order banning the use of new lines of embryonic stem cells in federally funded experiments. Later vetoed legislation passed by Congress to permit federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

  10. Signed the Stem Cell Therapeutic and Research Act of 2005, which will fund research using umbilical cord and adult stem cells. The measure provides funding to increase the inventory of cord blood units available to match and treat patients and to link cord blood banks so that doctors have a single source to search for cord blood and bone marrow matches. It also reauthorizes the National Bone Marrow Registry.

  11. Launched public awareness of adoption campaign, working with the National Council for Adoption and pregnancy help centers across the country. The campaign sponsored conferences encouraging faith based communities to promote adoption and produced public service announcements featuring the First Lady urging the adoption of foster children.

  12. Established the first federal government and national website listing and showing children available for adoption across the country (www.AdoptUSKids.org).

  13. Increased the tax credit for adoption related expenses from $5,000 to $10,000; for special needs children, the credit was raised from $5,000 for qualified adoption related expenses to $10,000 for any adoption related expenses. This was done as part of the President’s tax relief bill.

  14. Annually declared Sanctity of Human Life Day.

  15. Issued a federal regulation allowing states to include unborn children in the federal/state S-CHIP program, which provides health insurance for children in poor families. This allowed states to include pre-natal care in the health insurance they offer to poor children under the program.

  16. The Bush Administration did what it could to stop assisted suicide from taking further hold in Oregon. The state of Oregon passed an assisted suicide law that allows doctors to prescribe federally controlled drugs in lethal amounts to certain of their patients who say they want to die. Federal law holds that federally controlled drugs may only be prescribed for legitimate medical purposes. During the Clinton Administration, Attorney General Janet Reno decreed that assisted suicide was a legitimate medical purpose in those states that permit it.

During the Bush Administration, Attorney General John Ashcroft changed that ruling, saying that assisted suicide was not a legitimate medical purpose, thereby barring doctors from prescribing lethal drugs. A lawsuit was filed and ultimately, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of allowing the drugs to be used for assisted suicide.

  1. Signed legislation making it possible for a federal court to hear whether Terri Schiavo’s constitutional rights had been violated by being denied hydration and nutrition.

  2. Dramatically increased funding for abstinence education through the Department of Health and Human Services, although Congress did not approve the full amount the Bush Administration requested.


#19

There is no such thing as a safe abortion.


#20

I hate that term. Not ‘safe’ sex but safer sex. Infection chances are lowered but not outright eliminated.

Studies like these aren’t comprehensive enough. Studies are very narrow in their approach. I don’t know of any studies or reviews that take a broad view or stitch all of these studies together in an organized way.
I take issue with the instant dismissal of abstinence-only programmes. It’s much more complex than what journalists have portrayed things to be. New Zealand is only slightly better off with teen pregnancies than the US (51 v. 57 per 1000). In Belgium and France, they have much lower pregnancy rates than the US but many end in abortions (38% and 61% respectively). The Netherlands, 50% of teen pregnancies end in abortions. The US, 26%. Hungary sex education teaches contraception but it’s rate is 38 and 41% end in abortions. Switzerland’s rate is the lowest but the curriculum is not systematic like the Netherlands. Italy’s rate (stats in second link, absent in first) is not too different from the Netherlands or Germany but the Catholic Church is believed to have a strong influence.
Table 1 for most stats in ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4852976/
Curriculum: nfer.ac.uk/research/centre-for-information-and-reviews/inca/TP%20Sex%20and%20relationships%20education%20December%202009.pdf
My point is there are still too many holes in our understanding of this issue. There might be some other factors involved that work along with the type of education or against.


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