New Colorado? Rural Voters Approve Secession Idea


#1

abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/colorado-rural-voters-approve-secession-idea-20850962

"The nation’s newest state, if rural Colorado residents had their way, would be about the size of Vermont but with the population of a small town spread across miles of farmland. There wouldn’t be civil unions for gay couples, legal recreational marijuana, new renewable energy standards, or limits on ammunition magazines.

“Ever since the gold rush, those areas have been places that people rush over, and I think that’s still how people feel — like people are just whizzing past them at 80 miles an hour,” Noel said."

I don’t really think secession is the way to go, but people feel like they’re being pushed to the limit, forced to live with so many immoral and impractical rules and laws.
In the words of our Lord, and later from Abraham Lincoln, “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” But what is the answer? The leadership at the top of our government is so divisive and one sided…


#2

[quote="livnlern, post:1, topic:344973"]
abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/colorado-rural-voters-approve-secession-idea-20850962

"The nation's newest state, if rural Colorado residents had their way, would be about the size of Vermont but with the population of a small town spread across miles of farmland. There wouldn't be civil unions for gay couples, legal recreational marijuana, new renewable energy standards, or limits on ammunition magazines.

"Ever since the gold rush, those areas have been places that people rush over, and I think that's still how people feel — like people are just whizzing past them at 80 miles an hour," Noel said."

I don't really think secession is the way to go, but people feel like they're being pushed to the limit, forced to live with so many immoral and impractical rules and laws.
In the words of our Lord, and later from Abraham Lincoln, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." But what is the answer? The leadership at the top of our government is so divisive and one sided...

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Go for it. They can call themselves Color-red-o. No blue allowed.

I'd vacation there in a heart beat.


#3

Thirty thousand people? That's not enough to make a decent sized county.
Do they really think they are entitled to one congressman and two senators?
If you divide the pop. of the US by 435 it works out to ~700K per congressional seat and we already have states with lower populations.


#4

It should secede from the Union with Texas, if you get all the red areas together it will work.


#5

[quote="didymus, post:3, topic:344973"]
Thirty thousand people? That's not enough to make a decent sized county.
Do they really think they are entitled to one congressman and two senators?
If you divide the pop. of the US by 435 it works out to ~700K per congressional seat and we already have states with lower populations.

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Illinois should do that and separate the rest of the state from Chicago. :shrug:


#6

[quote="livnlern, post:1, topic:344973"]
abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/colorado-rural-voters-approve-secession-idea-20850962

"The nation's newest state, if rural Colorado residents had their way, would be about the size of Vermont but with the population of a small town spread across miles of farmland. There wouldn't be civil unions for gay couples, legal recreational marijuana, new renewable energy standards, or limits on ammunition magazines.

"Ever since the gold rush, those areas have been places that people rush over, and I think that's still how people feel — like people are just whizzing past them at 80 miles an hour," Noel said."

I don't really think secession is the way to go, but people feel like they're being pushed to the limit, forced to live with so many immoral and impractical rules and laws.
In the words of our Lord, and later from Abraham Lincoln, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." But what is the answer? The leadership at the top of our government is so divisive and one sided...

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Besides Colorado, the idea of secession has taken hold in California and a number of other states. I agree with you this is not the way to go since it is hard to tell where it will end, and the result may very well be that we are no longer one country, the United States, not that we are so united as it is. It is far better, I think, for states to work out their internal problems than to divide into separate entities.


#7

The democrats took control and promptly pushed through a very unpopular gun control.
law.Two democrat Senators have already been replaced in recall elections.It could be a bloodbath for Democrats in 2014


#8

And maybe the Confederate South will rise again, and we can bring back slavery!

Everyone thinks their way is the best or only way. Seceding is like children at a game of marbles. “If I can’t have it all my way, I’m leaving!”

We should work together to fix what is wrong. If Catholics can not convince others of the truth, then perhaps there is something wanting with the way we present or live out that truth.


#9

[quote="estesbob, post:7, topic:344973"]
The democrats took control and promptly pushed through a very unpopular gun control.
law.Two democrat Senators have already been replaced in recall elections.It could be a bloodbath for Democrats in 2014

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Outside of Denver and Boulder,we already saw evidence of the tide turning here in Colo.Not only the two recalls you mentioned,additionally,all tax increases,state,school,except the MJ tax,were shot down by a landslide.JohnHickenlooper,has eised himself for the left liberal he is.Really hope his days are numbered.Colo,until recently was solid red,now it's moving from blue to purple.......


#10

[quote="christofirst, post:8, topic:344973"]
And maybe the Confederate South will rise again, and we can bring back slavery!

Everyone thinks their way is the best or only way. Seceding is like children at a game of marbles. "If I can't have it all my way, I'm leaving!"

We should work together to fix what is wrong. If Catholics can not convince others of the truth, then perhaps there is something wanting with the way we present or live out that truth.

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Seems that the Democrats and Republicans in DC are finding working together a bit difficult.:shrug:


#11

[quote="christofirst, post:8, topic:344973"]
And maybe the Confederate South will rise again, and we can bring back slavery!

Everyone thinks their way is the best or only way. Seceding is like children at a game of marbles. "If I can't have it all my way, I'm leaving!"

We should work together to fix what is wrong. If Catholics can not convince others of the truth, then perhaps there is something wanting with the way we present or live out that truth.

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It takes two sides to cooperate. Haven't seen any of that in Washington for the last six years.


#12

Two recalls, I hear you all mention? Just two?

Recall proponents take aim at Hudak

Yes, the first two basically killed the Democrat's 2012-2013 legislative session, killed any support for similar gun control measures outside of Colorado, and was even reported by the BBC). If this third recall happens, the right could take back Colorado, and could change the face of national politics as well.

For those who aren't aware of the name Hudak - here is one reason why we're all mad at her too:

Rape victim Amanda Collins, a 27-year-old Reno, Nev. woman who was attacked in 2007 at the Reno campus of the University of Nevada, testified before a Senate committee against a measure that would have prohibited concealed-carry on college campuses. The measure ultimately died in the legislature.

Collins said she had a concealed-carry permit and would have had a firearm had the campus not been a gun-free zone.

Hudak responded, “I just want to say that, actually, statistics are not on your side even if you had a gun… Chances are that if you would have had a gun, then he would have been able to get that from you and possibly use it against you.”

Collins was taken aback by Hudak’s assumption, rebutting, “Respectfully, senator, you weren’t there. Had I been carrying concealed, he wouldn’t have known I had my weapons… I know without a doubt in my mind at some point I would’ve been able to stop my attack by using my firearm.”

Do you know anyone who lives in Denver? Maybe give them a call and say hi. Have them figure out if they're in Hudak's district or not. Urge them to pay attention to the news, and urge them to vote to recall Hudak.

(I like kicking the bums out, a lot better than secceeding from Colorado.)


#13

[quote="LegoGE1947, post:5, topic:344973"]
Illinois should do that and separate the rest of the state from Chicago. :shrug:

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Now that would be a different story.
Since smaller states have a disproportionate amount of power in the Senate and Electoral college (to a smaller degree in the House) one solution would be for the large states to divide so that the whole Union is composed of small states.
See this from Mother Jones.


#14

[quote="meltzerboy, post:6, topic:344973"]
Besides Colorado, the idea of secession has taken hold in California and a number of other states. I agree with you this is not the way to go since it is hard to tell where it will end, and the result may very well be that we are no longer one country, the United States, not that we are so united as it is. It is far better, I think, for states to work out their internal problems than to divide into separate entities.

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It doesn't matter if you split a state, because you'll eventually find that you end up in the same place you started. Prostestant churches have the same problem.

Iowa has found a solution to working out our differences. The eastern part keeps trying to gift us to South Dakota (or anyone for that matter) and we continue to annoy them by electing people like Steve King. :D


#15

[quote="NeuroTypical, post:12, topic:344973"]
Two recalls, I hear you all mention? Just two?

Recall proponents take aim at Hudak

Yes, the first two basically killed the Democrat's 2012-2013 legislative session, killed any support for similar gun control measures outside of Colorado, and was even reported by the BBC). If this third recall happens, the right could take back Colorado, and could change the face of national politics as well.

For those who aren't aware of the name Hudak - here is one reason why we're all mad at her too:

Do you know anyone who lives in Denver? Maybe give them a call and say hi. Have them figure out if they're in Hudak's district or not. Urge them to pay attention to the news, and urge them to vote to recall Hudak.

(I like kicking the bums out, a lot better than secceeding from Colorado.)

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Maybe it would be a better idea to do that in Illinois rather than seceding from Chicago. It is just there seem to be so MANY! :eek:


#16

Don't leave out Kansas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska. I guess this is why Fema has bought up over a billion rounds of amo. Or maybe they bought it to support Hamas and other radical groups. What the " Red " states should do is just sit down and totally ignore Washington, run all their bureaucrates out of town and refuse to cooperate with Washington. They have ignored the Constitution for five years now, so why can't the rest of us do the same.

Linus2nd


#17

Self-Determination is a right or we have become an empire. Division of a state is not all that radical. Witness Virginia and West Virginia. The principal division in this country is that which exists between the big cities and rural areas. City politics is dominated by the entitlement of a large unemployable underclass. Rural residents are effectively disenfranchised by urban voting blocks that tend towards socialism. Perhaps the breaking up of various states may reverse the ipso facto demographic gerrymandering that has been such a detriment to our constitutional republic. Think of it as a kinder & gentler revolution to reverse the otherwise coming disaster.

...The State which would provide everything, absorbing everything into itself, would ultimately become a mere bureaucracy incapable of guaranteeing the very thing which the suffering person—every person—needs: namely, loving personal concern. We do not need a State which regulates and controls everything, but a State which, in accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, generously acknowledges and supports initiatives arising from the different social forces and combines spontaneity with closeness to those in need...
- Pope Benedict XVI, Deus Caritas Est


#18

[quote="Casilda, post:4, topic:344973"]
It should secede from the Union with Texas, if you get all the red areas together it will work.

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This will be the ultimate in gerrymandering IMO.


#19

[quote="christofirst, post:8, topic:344973"]
And maybe the Confederate South will rise again, and we can bring back slavery!

Everyone thinks their way is the best or only way. Seceding is like children at a game of marbles. "If I can't have it all my way, I'm leaving!"

We should work together to fix what is wrong. If Catholics can not convince others of the truth, then perhaps there is something wanting with the way we present or live out that truth.

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They aren't talking about seceding from the US, only splitting the state. This has happened several times in our country's history. There's nothing inherently un-American about it.

Maybe "what is wrong" is a state with competing interests who spend too much of their resources on argument and compromise. Two states might (only might) be the more charitable solution.


#20

[quote="HappyCatholic01, post:2, topic:344973"]
Go for it. They can call themselves Color-red-o. No blue allowed.

I'd vacation there in a heart beat.

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You think its only people who vote and are democrat cause problems in this country. Its like a marriage, this country has 2 parties, and their both wrong don't pass blame on just the blue side. The red team is just as guilty if not more of how the country is.


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