Nicene Creed or Apostle's Creed?


#1

At least at the Mass I attended on the First Sunday of Advent, we recited the Apostle's Creed rather than the Nicene Creed. (The priest simply stated that we have a choice now and we are choosing the say the Apostle's Creed but I presume this is actually because Advent falls under the general category of "Christmas time".)

So did your parish use the new Nicene Creed or did you use the Apostle's Creed? (And yes, I know that in some countries the Apostle's Creed is the normal Sunday Creed.)


#2

Apostles’ was used in the parish I went to. The priest even announced when it was time for it, that is what we would use that day & refer to our pew cards. Normally, the Nicene is used at churches I go to. I am sure with the options for certain rites like the Creed or Penitential rites, we will use them a few times each until we are comfortable with them.


#3

[quote="SMHW, post:1, topic:264326"]
At least at the Mass I attended on the First Sunday of Advent, we recited the Apostle's Creed rather than the Nicene Creed. (The priest simply stated that we have a choice now and we are choosing the say the Apostle's Creed but I presume this is actually because Advent falls under the general category of "Christmas time".)

So did your parish use the new Nicene Creed or did you use the Apostle's Creed? (And yes, I know that in some countries the Apostle's Creed is the normal Sunday Creed.)

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This is Advent, Christmas time runs from December 25th to the Baptism of the Lord.
The pastor is correct, there is a choice in which one to use, I will use the Apostles creed during Lent, to demark a change in season and on the focus of the time we are in. I would guess that the pastor did the same.


#4

We used the Apostles Creed on Sunday but normally (we’ve been using the new translation for a few weeks now) we’ve used the Nicene Creed.


#5

[quote="FAB, post:3, topic:264326"]
This is Advent, Christmas time runs from December 25th to the Baptism of the Lord.
The pastor is correct, there is a choice in which one to use, I will use the Apostles creed during Lent, to demark a change in season and on the focus of the time we are in. I would guess that the pastor did the same.

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I don't want to go way off-topic --but this is my thread! :D

Does "Christmas time" mean the same thing as "Christmas season"?


#6

[quote="SMHW, post:5, topic:264326"]
I don't want to go way off-topic --but this is my thread! :D

Does "Christmas time" mean the same thing as "Christmas season"?

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yes


#7

New Nicene Creed @ my church.


#8

It depends on the person using the two terms. The current Liturgical season is Advent, not Christmas. The current “commercial” or “cultural” season is Christmas.

However, as more and more commercialism is attached to Advent, and the weeks between Thanksgiving (in America) and Christmas are called the “Christmas season” or “Christmas time”, the point of Christmas (and Advent) recedes into the background. Hence the confusion of terms.

I’m not a historian to know this for sure, or the causes and reasonings behind the change, but I would guess there was a time when greetings of “Merry Christmas”, or the equivalent, didn’t start until Christmas Day, or Christmas Eve at the earliest. Prior to that, people would have been focused on Advent and its wonderful sense of solemn, watchful expectation and introspection. Then too, Christmas greetings would have been extended through Epiphany.

The mischevious side of me wants to return greetings of “Merry Christmas” with “Happy Advent” or some such, and extend greetings of “Merry Christmas” until Epiphany. I haven’t quite committed myself to that yet, but I’d like to.

I know many Christians are trying to revive common knowledge and celebration of the reason for Christmas, but commercialism continues its snow-ball effect. I think perhaps the only way to combat that is to put more emphasis back on Advent, and keep the “Christmas Spirit” until Epiphany.


#9

[quote="oneGODoneCHURCH, post:6, topic:264326"]
yes

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The reason I ask is because the (English language) precept of the Church states that we are to receive Holy Communion at least once a year during the Easter Season. (I seem to remember that the Baltimore catechism used the phrase "Easter time".) In this context "Easter Season" encompasses a greater length of time than the liturgical season of Easter.

So I was wondering if the non-binding suggestion that the Apostle's Creed is especially appropriate for Christmas and Easter (I don't have the wording in front of me) might have the liturgical season of Advent in mind as well as the liturgical season of Christmas.


#10

"New" Nicene creed yesterday


#11

New Nicene Creed for me as well :yup:

God bless :byzsoc:

David


#12

At my parish, we used the Nicene Creed.

I suspect many (not all) priests will choose to use the Apostle’s Creed for the same reason they use Eucharistic Prayer II: it’s shorter.


#13

[quote="SMHW, post:5, topic:264326"]
I don't want to go way off-topic --but this is my thread! :D

Does "Christmas time" mean the same thing as "Christmas season"?

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As part of the changes with the mass, the Church has changed teminology "time" has replaced the use of "season"
So it is Ordinary Time, Easter Time, Christmas Time, but we are now in Advent.


#14

[quote="oneGODoneCHURCH, post:6, topic:264326"]
yes

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Not any more, Christmas Season is Secular, Christmas Time in Church


#15

We used the Nicene Creed on Sunday. Father even reminded us that we are to bow at the mention of the Incarnation.


#16

Now I am confused as far as I know the Easter time Easter season has always been ans still is from Easter Sunday till Pentecost Sunday. Prior to Easter season(time) would be Lent just as prior to Christmas season (time) is Advent.


#17

We screamed for Nicene! :slight_smile:


#18

Apostles Creed in my Parish although I was expecting the Nicene.:shrug:


#19

The Apostle's Creed is the ancient creed of Baptism. Since Advent is the beginning of the Church year, it is appropriate to begin by reminding ourselves of our Baptism into the Church. The Apostle's Creed is the answer to a series of questions asked of candidates for Baptism.

The Nicene Creed is a fuller statement of faith, which addresses several heresies, especially Arianism. Almost all Christian denominations recite the latter on Sundays, because it is the universal creed of what all Christians are supposed to believe--that Christ was the only begotten Son of God; that He is not created; of the same substance of the as the Father, and truly God and truly man.

Eastern Orthodoxy differs from Catholic doctrine on the nature of the Holy Spirit. In the Eastern Church, the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, only. In the Western church, He proceeds from the Father and from the Son.

In the Nicene Creed we bow, or genuflect at the Incarnatus, or the statement that Christ was born of the Blessed Virgin and became man. This is the great miracle for which we should have great reverence and gratitude, because it is the ultimate expression of God's love for humanity.

Advent is the season of preparation for Christmas. Note that the liturgical colors used are purple (or in some cases blue). It is not Christmas. It is a penitential season. Christmas is a celebratory season, and consists of 12 days, beginning with the Feast of the Nativity, as described in other posts in this thread. (If you were paying attention, you might have noticed that the lectionary readings for the last two weeks of Ordinary time are Advent-like. This is because, long ago, Advent was six-weeks long, not four, as is now the case.)

This is all off the top of my balding head. You can find fuller explanations elsewhere on this site.


#20

Veni, veni Emmanuel;
Captivum solve Israel,
Qui gemit in exilio,
Privatus Dei Filio.

Gaude! Gaude! Emmanuel,
Nascetur pro te, Israel!


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