No one can enter Heaven unless by Mary

I received a reply this morning from the website which administrates the Facebook page in question.

*Greeting In Christ to you Jason,

Thank you for contacting me about this post. uCatholic does help administer the page “Catholic Church” on Facebook. This is one of about 30 pages that we administer, including others such as “Ask A Catholic Nun”, “Ask A Catholic Priest”, “Catholic Saint of the Day”, "Catechism of the Catholic Church, “Jesus of Nazareth”, “The Latin Mass”, “Pray The Rosary”, etc. It is our sole aim in these endeavors to faithfully help spread the saving message of our Holy Mother Church through digital means of communications. In addition to uCatholic, the Catholic Church page also has the contributions of the Clergy (3 diocesan priests) and a handful of laity from around the world.

The post and quote you reference is from the YouCat (Youth Catechism of the Catholic Church)/
(reference: Ch. 3: ‘I believe in the Holy Catholic Church’ p. 77 - Nihil Obstat, March 3, 2010 Austrian Bishops’ Conference - Imprimatur, Austrian Bishops’ Conference with the approval of the German Bishops’ Conference, November 29, 2010; the Swiss Bishops’ Conference, December 6, 2010 with the prior approval of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Congregation for the Clergy, and the Pontifical Congregation for the Laity.") In addition the book carries a forward by The Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI.

I present the “Nihil Obstat” and “Imprimatur” to illustrate that the quote comes from a source in line with the Magesterium, the teaching authority of the Church. I implore those with administrative rights to the page to check for “Nihil Obstat” and “Imprimatur” before making a post (simple news articles, or pictures of Churches exempted, obviously).

I did however discuss this matter with those who posted the the quote on the Facebook page. I expressed my concern that the quote may be easily misunderstood without proper context, or at least a solid explanation. A quote with the theological nuances of this post, without the proper context, may ultimately be a disservice to the Church. I have asked the administrators to be more prudent and thoughtful in the material they share. I also personally removed the post from the page this morning.

Jason, I absolutely received this message with what I feel was the spirit you intended, and I am grateful you contacted me. Please feel free to contact me directly in any situation such as this when it applies to uCatholic or otherwise and I will do all that I can. You can even call me directly at XXX-XX-XXXX if there is an “urgent” matter concerning one of these pages. (I ask that you please not publish my phone number, it’s my personal cell)

Finally, I ask your for your prayers, through the intercession of St. Athanasius, that all Catholics always remain orthodox and faithful to the teachings of the Christ’s Church.

Pro Christo Et Ecclesia,

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Privately, you’re correct. But in mass we say:

Confiteor

“I confess to almighty God, and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault, in my thoughts and in my words, in what I have done and what I have failed to do; and I ask blessed Mary, ever virgin,all the angels and saints, and you, my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God.”

:slight_smile:

The quote is found in The Glories of Mary by St. Alphonsus Liguori. In this chapter.

CHAPTER V.
AD TE SUSPIRAMUS GEMENTES ET FLENTES lH
HAC LACRYMARUM VALLE.
To thee do we send up our sighs, groaning and weeping In this valley of tears.
SECTION I.
THE NEED WE HAVE OF THE INTERCESSION OF MARY
FOR OUR SALVATION.

To invoke and pray to the saints, especially to the queen of saints, most holy Mary, that they may obtain for us, by their intercession, the divine favor, is not only a lawful but a useful and holy practice, and this is of faith, being established by the Councils, against heretics, who condemn it as injurious to Jesus Christ, who is our only mediator;

No one will deny that Jesus Christ is the only mediator of justice, and that by his merits he has obtained for us reconciliation with God. But, on the other hand, it is impious to deny that God is pleased to grant favors at the intercession of the saints, and especially of Mary his mother, whom Jesus desires so much to see loved and honored by us. Every one knows that honor paid to a mother redounds to her children. Hence St. Bernard says, let not any one think that by greatly praising the mother he will throw into the shade the glories of the Son; for the more he honors the mother, so much more he honors the Son. St. Ildephonsus says, that all the honor which is paid to the mother and the queen, is rendered to the Son and king. And there is no doubt that on account of the merits of Jesus, the great privilege has been granted to Mary to be the mediatrix of our salvation; not, indeed, mediatrix of justice, but of grace and intercession, as she is called by St. Bonaventure. St. Lawrence Justinian also says: Can she be otherwise than full of grace, who has been made the ladder of paradise, the gate of heaven, the most true mediatrix between God and man?
Wherefore St. Anselm well remarks, that when we implore the holy Virgin to obtain graces for us, it is not that we distrust the divine mercy, but rather that we distrust our own unworthiness, and commend ourselves to Mary that her merits may compensate for our unworthiness.

But the point that we here propose to prove is, that the intercession of Mary is even necessary for our salvation: necessary, to speak properly, not indeed absolutely, but morally. And we affirm that this necessity arises from the will of God itself, who has ordained that all the favors which he dispenses should pass through the hands of Mary, according to the opinion of St. Bernard, which may well be considered at the present day the common opinion of doctors and divines,

the mediation of justice by means of merit, and the mediation of grace by means of prayer, are very different things. Thus it is also one thing to say that God cannot, another to say He will not grant favors without the intercession of Mary. We acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the only mediator of justice, as we have stated above, who by his merits obtains for us grace and salvation; but we affirm that Mary is the mediatrix of grace, and although whatever she obtains, she obtains through the merits of Jesus Christ, and because she prays and asks for it in the name of Jesus Christ, yet whatever favors we ask are all obtained through her intercession. In this there is certainly nothing opposed to the sacred doctrines;

St. Augustine at least might remove from us all fear of exaggeration in the praise of Mary, who asserts that all we may say in her praise is little in comparison with what she merits on account of her dignity as mother of God.

(cont. of post 41)

But let us return to our subject, and hear what the saints say of the opinion in question. St. Bernard says that God had bestowed all graces on Mary, that men, through her as through a channel, may receive whatever goods is in store for them. Moreover, the saint here makes an important reflection, and says that before the birth of the most holy Virgin there flowed no such current of grace for all, since this desired channel did not yet exist. But for this end, he adds, Mary has been given to the world, that through this channel the divine graces might continually flow down upon us.
As Holofernes, in order to gain the city of Bethulia, directed the aqueducts to be broken, so the devil makes every effort to deprive souls of their devotion to the mother of God ; for, if this channel of grace were closed, he could easily succeed in gaining them to himself. The same holy father continues, and says : Observe, then, oh souls, with what affection and devotion the Lord would have us honor this our queen, by always seeking and confiding in her protection ; for in her he has placed the fulness of all good, that henceforth we may recognize as coming from Mary whatever of hope, grace, or salvation we receive. St. Antoninus says the same thing : All the mercies ever bestowed upon men have all come through Mary.
For this reason she is called the moon, because, as St. Bonaventure remarks, as the moon is between the sun and the earth, and reflects upon the latter what she receives from the former, so Mary receives the celestial influences of grace from the divine Son, to transfuse them into us who are upon the earth.
For this reason, too, she is called the gate of heaven by the holy Church: Felix coeli porta; because, St. Bernard again observes, as every rescript of grace sent by the king comes through the palace gate, so it is given to Mary, that through her thou shouldst receive whatever thou hast. St. Bonaventure, moreover, says that Mary is called the gate of heaven, because, no one can enter heaven if he does not pass through Mary, who is the door of it.
St. Jerome confirms us in the same sentiment(or, as some persons think, another ancient author of a sermon upon the Assumption which is inserted among the works of St. Jerome), when he says, that in Jesus Christ was the fulness of grace as in the head, whence descend to the members, which we are, all the vital spirits, that is, the divine aids for attaining eternal salvation: in Mary likewise was fulness as in the neck, through which those vital spirits pass to the members. This is confirmed by St. Bernardine of Sienna, who more clearly unfolded this thought, Saying that through Mary are transmitted to the faithful, who are the mystic body of Jesus Christ, all the graces of the spiritual life, which descends upon them from Jesus their head. St. Bonaventure also attempts to assign the reason for this when he says: God being pleased to dwell in the womb of this holy Virgin, she has acquired thereby, in a certain sense, a kind of jurisdiction over all graces; since Jesus came from her sacred womb, together with him proceed from her, as from a celestial ocean, all the streams of divine gifts.

a previous post

Why are you so opposed to Our Lady? :frowning:

The Only way to get to the Father is through the Son…the only way to get to the Son is through His beloved Mother. You cannot come to fully know Our Lord Jesus but through Mary. And you cannot love Him wholeheartedly if you don´t love His mother as well.

Mary intercedes for you, and always shall, you can get anything you ask to Our Lord when you asking it through His Blessed Mother. Wherever Our Lord is, His Mother is always at His side…and wherever the Mother is, Her Son is also beside her.

May I also point our Mary was crowned Queen of Heaven and Earth upon her Assumption?. Mary is not the ONLY way to get to Heaven naturally…but the fastest way to reach to Her Son´s Sacred Heart is through her Immaculate Heart, and thence…to reach Heaven.

Godbless everyone

In plain English, why can I NOT enter heaven UNLESS I go through Mary?
Jesus, God HIMSELF taught otherwise.

I am not opposed to Our Lady in the slightest. I love her intently and ask for her intercession on a regular basis. However, to suggest that the terms Mediatrix et al., mean that the Church teaches that we are required to go through her in order to reach Christ or to get to Heaven is patently false. Those titles, though in common usage by some theologians have not been dogmatically defined by the Church. To suggest that Mary is heaven as someone earlier in this thread did, is also patently false. As someone correctly responded, the Church teaches that heaven is being face to face with God in the beatific vision. Both of those are dangerous to the faith.

Jesus said that he did not tell us everything, because we could not take it and that the Holy Spirit would lead us to all truth. You seem to be suggesting that God stopped working where the bible ends. So, I offer this. If, at the assumption of Blessed Virgin Mary, God decided that all graces are to be distributed through her and that to honor the Son you must honor the mother and to dishonor the mother also dishonors the Son, then who are you to say that God cannot do this?

And also publicly. We also pray directly to Jesus in Mass all the time as we do to God the Father. One can and should do both. But to suggest that Mary is required to receive grace from God is false.

When you receive absolution in the sacrament of reconciliation that is given by the power of the Holy Spirit through the priest acting in the person of Christ and in the name of the Blessed Trinity. When you are confirmed into the Faith you are done so by being sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit. When you are baptized you are done so in the name of the Blessed Trinity. When the priest performs the consecration of the Holy Eucharist it is conferred by the power of the Holy Spirit and with the priest acting in the person of Christ. All of these things represent graces given by God to us, His undeserving faithful. I have never seen anything which suggests that the Church teaches that we are required to go through Mary to receive any of them.

:yup: The Mother of the Saviour and Our Interior Life by the great Dominican theologian Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange is the one to read for a better understanding of Mary’s role in the salvation of those united to her Son - including her prerogative mentioned by St. Bonaventure.

"Among all the different graces that which is the most peculiar to any particular wayfarer is the grace of the moment in which he finds himself. That too comes through Mary. We pray for it daily and many times each day when we say ‘Pray for us sinner, now and at the hour of our death’. By the word ‘now’ we ask for the grace required to fulfil the duty of the present moment, to practise this or that virtue asked of us here and now. Even if we do not ourselves realise what grace we need, Mary in heaven does, and it is through her intercession that we obtain it. The succession of graces of the moment, varying from one moment to the next, is like a spiritual atmosphere which we inhale and which renews our souls as air does the blood.
“Mary’s mediation is therefore truly universal: such is the teaching of the Tradition. It extends to the whole work of our salvation, without being limited to graces of any particular kind. On this point, there is moral unanimity of the Father and Doctors of the Church, and of the faithful whose belief is expressed in the liturgy,” The Mother of the Saviour, pg. 215.

“Mary’s mediation in no way obscures that of Jesus. Her mediation is but a share in His: her merits have been acquired under His influence, and it is He Who confers on her the dignity of being a cause in the order of salvation and sanctification,” ibid, pg.222.

St. Bonaventure is simply expressing the common teaching of the Church reflected in sections 967-970 of Catechism where Mary is spoken of as our 'Mother in the order of grace".

Maybe it is the effects of “Jesus and me” Protestantism on the lives of individual Catholics but Catholics have gotten away from the idea of shared suffering and shared redemption. Catholics seem to forget that we are one body and that our salvation is not achieved in a vaccume, nor is our damnation.

Our suffering can be redemptive for ourselves and other members of Christ’s body. Likewise, any grace we merit by our perseverance and endurance to faithfullness in the face temptation can be applied to the entirety of the Christ’s Body. As the preeminent and sinless member of Christ’s body chosen to hold God in her womb, Mary has earned infinitely more grace for her son’s body than any of us. As the one who God chose to bring Christ’s body into the world, as the Mother of the Savior, Mary naturally mediates the application of all grace earned by her and all other members of Christ’s body to her Son’s Body, which is the Church.

As pointed out in the excellent quotes posted by JM3, Jesus justified us, but he grants favors (graces) through his Mother Mary as the preeminent member of His Body. I don’t know why Catholics have a problem with this.

-Tim-

I agree with this completely. It is a very good idea for everyone to have devotion to our Blessed Mother. She is a wonderful gift from God that we would be foolish to ignore. However, saying that it is easier to get to Heaven if you allow Mary to show us the way to her Son and saying that one is required to go through her to reach Heaven are two very different things.

So it looks as if the Lord is looking favorably upon me. I believe The Holy Spirit may have provided me with an answer…
O.k.! Say you LOVE your best friend, but you want nothing to do with his/her mom. I doubt you will be able to enter their house as long as their mom is there.
Well the Same with Jesus, since He is ALWAYS with His mom (The Lord IS WITH HER!) how could you live with Jesus if you want nothing to do with His mother?
In order to live with Jesus in Heaven we MUST accept His Mother for she is always with Him.
The LORD is with Mary! let that sink in. if we do not accept Mary, are we TRULY accepting Jesus for EVERYTHING He is? Gabriel, God’s angel said to Mary “The Lord is With You.” Jesus is with Her!
am I making sense? lol!
In order to be INSIDE your BEST friends house (Jesus), you must be able to accept his mother (Mary). If you can’t, There will be conflict!
Do you want to be in Heaven with Jesus? if yes, then you MUST accept Mary because The Lord is WITH Her.
If you want nothing to do with Mary, are you fully accepting Jesus?

I agree with all of which you wrote. However, I would go back to the point of the original posts in the thread. It is different to state what Jesus Christ may choose to do and what he is required to do. It is different to state what may be better for us to choose and what we are required to do.

If you look at the quote that started this thread it was one that was taken out of context and created a false impression. I followed up with another quote from that same facebook page which had done the same thing. If you want proof that those quotes are being misinterpreted I encourage you to the links above for the facebook page in question where you can read the comments of people who claim to be Catholic but are completely misunderstanding the intent of the quotes. Furthermore, you can look to this thread where you have had someone actually make the claim that Mary is heaven.

My point is this: it is very easy to cherry pick a quote out of context and create the wrong impression both to Catholics who may not be well versed in the Faith and to non-catholics who already think we worship the Blessed Mother anyways. It is prudent and wise to be careful which quotes you select in such a forum and how you present them so as not to create the wrong impression. I find it a bit dangerous to throw terms like “co-redempmtrix” out there in the public when the Church herself has not come to a decision on how to define it. In my opinion, it opens the door wide for misunderstanding both for those within the Church as well as for those outside.

That is all this thread is really about.

God bless you!

Nope.

Firstly, Christ isn’t required to do anything. On the otherhand things are required of us.

The rest of your post seems to suggest we should water down our faith and traditions for the sake of others.

Would it not be more wise to educate “Catholics who may not be well versed in the Faith and to non-catholics who already think we worship the Blessed Mother anyways.”?

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/1997/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_24091997_en.html

As maternal Mediatrix, Mary presents our desires and petitions to Christ, and transmits the divine gifts to us, interceding continually on our behalf.

vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_08091894_iucunda-semper-expectatione_en.html

  1. The recourse we have to Mary in prayer follows upon the office she continuously fills by the side of the throne of God as Mediatrix of Divine grace; being by worthiness and by merit most acceptable to Him, and, therefore, surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven.

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Agreed, that’s why I had concerns about that quote.

The rest of your post seems to suggest we should water down our faith and traditions for the sake of others.

That certainly was not my intent. My meaning was that, so as not to created confusion, the operators of that Facebook page should be cautions when throwing out quotes to over two hundred thousand followers that they are ones which are not easily misunderstood and taken to mean things which they do not. So many things in our faith are about subtle distinction and, when you are not able to provide that, such as on a facebook page where you are just tossing out random quotes, it creates a recipe for misinterpretation. I would never ever suggest watering down our faith. I would merely suggest being thoughtful in our presentation of it.

Would it not be more wise to educate “Catholics who may not be well versed in the Faith and to non-catholics who already think we worship the Blessed Mother anyways.”?

I could not agree with this more than I do. I would love nothing more than for the Church to institute a massive campaign to re-catechize the adult faithful in all of our parishes and as an outreach to non-catholics. For obvious reasons, this is very difficult to do.

If there is a definition of the words Mediatrix, Co-redemptrix, etc, in either of those links I am not seeing it. They use them to be sure, but the Church has not defined them.

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