[quote="john78, post:3, topic:328460"]
I can understand and agree with the answer Della has given but also understand an ponder over what gigabyte has also stated and wonder as well....
i bounce back and forth...... is what it is....
after hearing from Christ that one of them will betray Him, they all go around announcing, no not me, or who, or is it me ! they are in a frenzy basically, but then to think out of all that had just happened in that moment in time, that all of a sudden Judas gets up and is like, alrighty I gota go an take care of some stuff i had planned earlier today, i'll catch up with you guys later... I mean that would be a big friggin red flag to me or rather I would hope it would be... It just does not make sense to think that such an announcement could be made, and everyone would be content to just go on with out figuring the matter out right then an there and get an answer on exactly WHO it is .
I can not imagine how Christ managed to calm everyone down and carry on with what had to be done, but how could Christ not calm them down.
It really is mind boggling Della is spot on with the answer, but it is just so hard to imagine how after everything they have seen an heard from Christ how in the world they could not pick up on the hint that something bad is about to happen, perhaps not coming to the realization of exactly who Christ is at that moment in time is some what understandable, but to not be able to pick up on a clue that something really bad is going to happen, just that idea alone, not that Christ is going to be arrested, killed, etc.....
we all have gut feelings on when a situation is going to turn south an we need to get out of dodge, but to think that they had no clue at all about anything when Christ specifically said one of them will betray Him, and not believe it after EVERYTHING they have seen an heard... To not have this basic feeling of something really aweful is about to take place and perhaps they should scrutinize one another or at least demand an answer as to who it is odd.
I am sure there are better answers out there to explain how they did not have the time to write everything down, preserve it, etc, then even if they did we would have conspiracy theories that the Vatican / Rome is hiding the truth about it.....
A never ending debate / speculation that we will just have to wait for the answers when we reach Heaven.
They were human, plain and simple. Human nature has not changed that much in thousands of years. Again, you are looking at this in hindsight. YOu know the end of the story-- they were living it. Think you could have done better? :shrug: :D
According to your way if thinking they should have been no denial on Peter's part, the others would not have been afraid, etc. Remember, the same Apostles who pledged their loyalty to Jesus could not stay awake with him in the garden.
Talk and bravado by humans is always cheap words -- even the 12 Jesus chose -- until they had the resurrection experience and the gift of the Spirit at Pentecost
The strength and power of the gospel narratives is that we can see ourselves in the faults and missteps of Jesus' followers.