How many here are vegetarians and how do you fix those eggs?
Over easy or under the table or fried on a burger?
How many here are vegetarians and how do you fix those eggs?
most of the vegetarians are over in family life or back fence bashing us meat eaters.
I am vegan and not a meat eaters basher by any means.
I am a member of PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals). I also like pita, a very tasty bread. Particularly with hummus.
Jesting aside, human beings are very complex chemical processing engines. We are omnivores for a reason.
It is not in our original nature to be omnivores. Notice that before the fall man ate only plants. It was only after we became filled with sin that we started eating other animals. Coincidence? I believe that if we want to truly try to live Godly lives, we would consider vegetarianism. There is a priest who writes for PETA; he makes a great point about how we can grow morally stronger when we stop slaughtering God’s creatures for food, even though we can get more than enough nutients and proteins from plants, and stay healthier, too.
I’m a pantheist, and an omnivore. I’ve tried vegetarianism a few times for “health” reasons, but always end up anemic, and craving red meat.
**It is not in our original nature to be omnivores. **
Does your religion teach that human jaw and tooth structure, as well as digestive system, was changed during the Fall as well? Was the requirement for B12 added at this point as well?
Notice that before the fall man ate only plants. It was only after we became filled with sin that we started eating other animals. Coincidence?
What sin did the tiger, the salmon and the Venus flytrap commit?
he makes a great point about how we can grow morally stronger when we stop slaughtering God’s creatures for food, even though we can get more than enough nutients and proteins from plants, and stay healthier, too.
So God did not create plants? All life involves death–even plants and fungi receive nutrients from the soil that are there because of the death and decomposition of animals and other plants.
I am all for treating animals as humanely as possible, both in raising and killing them for food. I do advocate hunting for sport rather than food.
Why did God obligate the Jews to consume the Passover lamb?
I’m Vegan (good ol’ Adventists), within comfortable constraints. I won’t eat meat, but if something dairy lands on my table on rare occasions, I won’t make a scene. I think there’s something to be said for the principle: vegetarianism should be natural. If you’re too aware of it, you’re doing something wrong.
First point: The human jaw and tooth structure and digestive system of humans are built for eating plants. Otherwise we would have big, sharp canine teeth and short digestive tracts, like the Lions and tigers or other mammals like us that you seem to put humans on the same level as, to say nothing of plants. As for the “sins” of said lions and tigers and bears, oh my!, if you read the Bible, you may come to understand that we are different than other dumb animals in that God gave us his Spirit.
Second point: Yes, God created plants. And all the biological functions and processes on this beautiful planet. And according to Genesis, he gave us every green herb and plant for food before the fall, and meat to eat and hides to wear after. I personally would like to be as much like pre-fall Adam as possible, hence my desire to practice vegetarianism.
Because he can do anything he wants. You people seem to have mistaken my opinion that we would be better off morally and physically if we didn’t eat animals for one that states it is wrong or evil to eat animals. I never said that.
** First point: The human jaw and tooth structure and digestive system of humans are built for eating plants. Otherwise we would have big, sharp canine teeth and short digestive tracts, like the Lions and tigers or other mammals like us that you seem to put humans on the same level as, to say nothing of plants. **
"The structure of the digestive system is adapted to diet rather than body size. Tough plant materials such as cellulose require longer and more intensive digestion than do foods such as meat or milk. Herbivorous (plant-eating) animals have highly complex digestive systems. The cow, for example, has four sections to its stomach. The small and large intestines of all herbivores, regardless of body size, have specialized areas that help digest plant fibers—thus the complexity of an elephant’s intestines is the same as that in a pygmy goat. (See also ruminant.)
The digestive system of carnivorous (meat-eating) animals is relatively simple and considerably shorter than that found in herbivores. The small intestine of a domestic cat, for example, is often no greater in diameter than a pencil—and while a Siberian tiger’s intestines are much larger than a house cat’s, they are no more specialized or complex.
Humans and other animals that eat both plant and animal matter are called omnivores. Their digestive tracts are not as simple as those of carnivores, nor as complex and specialized as in herbivores. Rather, the digestive system of an omnivore generally contains some characteristics of both herbivores and carnivores."
"Finally, a note about differences in digestive anatomy and physiology among animals. The digestive systems of humans, dogs, mice, horses, kangaroos and great white sharks are, to a first approximation, virtually identical. If you look more carefully however, it becomes apparent that each of these species has evolved certain digestive specializations that have allowed it to adapt to a particular diet.
These differences become particularly apparent when you compare a carnivore like a cat with a herbivore like a goat or a horse. Goats and horses evolved from ancestors that subsisted on plants and adapted parts of their digestive tracts into massive fermentation vats which enabled them efficiently utilize cellulose, the major carbohydrate of plants.
In contrast, cats evolved from animals that lived on the carcasses of other animals, and have digestive systems that reflect this history - extremely small fermentation vats and essentially no ability to utilize cellulose. Bridging the gap between carnivores and herbivores are omnivores like humans and pigs, whose digestive tracts attest to a historical diet that included both plants and animals."
** I personally would like to be as much like pre-fall Adam as possible, hence my desire to practice vegetarianism.**
And more power to you if that is what you want to do, but the evidence simply does not support your assertion that human physiology is not that of an omnivore.
Oh great, I guess we evolved too much! :rolleyes: Darn that pesky science! I’ll still take the Bible’s word that man was created to eat a veggie diet. Genesis 1:29-- Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I think that is all the smilies I can fit in this post. In any case - I don’t see how any catholic can be a member of that organization. I mean - treat animals good - fine. But they have down right PORN on some of their websites (mainly Europe I guess - but still morals are morals). I hope this priest doesn’t know about PETA’s nudity junk. Wear COTTON if not fur.
Yeah I agree that they could change that. Meh.
Genesis 1:29 never says that we were “created to eat a veggie diet”, it does not deal with the question of what our bodies were created to do. It simply says that the plants would be ours for food. Man also ran around naked before the fall and talked to snakes. I hope you don’t do that too? LOL j/k
I am by no means a complete literalist when it comes to scriptures, especially those concerning creation. But let us consider that we are promised a day when “the wolf shall dwell with the lamb and the leopard shall lie down with the kid … They do no violence, no harm, on all my holy mountain.”(Is.11:6-9)
Basically God tells us we will be once again as we were before the fall. No violence. No eating each other. Even the other dumb animals will not kill each other for food. And no, I only walk around naked at home. Don’t want to offend others with the body God gave me!
lol… Just make sure the blinds are shut… LOL
I agree that in heaven there will be no violence or killing, but lets also remember that when God provided food from heaven it was Manna, neither plant or animal… so I think there is a third alternative… Wine and Manna for all!! LOL
My real point is that I don’t think it is accurate to try to paint a vegetarian lifestyle or a omnivorous lifestyle from scripture, I think that scripture does not support nor restrict either lifestyle and both are perfectly legitimate choices.
I find I feel much better and have more energy when I eat more meat… others feel the opposite. Its all good!