[quote="CharitableFaith, post:3, topic:283080"]
Very true, but why do they speak against the church? They claim we use candy and chips for communion and stuff
That is the most bogus thing I have ever heard.
Which means it probably actually happened somewhere. But it's still a stupid argument. And it's stupid not only because that sort of thing is relatively rare, but because it's not part of the new form of the mass. It's an abuse. It's something which the new mass does not permit which some people do anyway because they are rebellious and disobedient.
The argument is saying that since some people abuse the new mass, or sometimes because some people who call themselves orthodox Catholics but who most definitely aren't say absolutely stupid stuff and claim that Vatican II supports this stuff despite the fact that Vatican II does no such thing, that Vatican II must be a bad thing.
You cannot say something is terrible because it can be and has been abused, otherwise all children should be strangled at birth because of the sins some of them will commit and all of them could commit if they really wanted to by abusing their free will.