By Kathleen GilbertHINSDALE, Illinois, November 4, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Sr. Donna Quinn has reportedly ceased serving as an abortion escort at an Illinois abortion facility after receiving a reprimand from her Dominican community. But according to statements published in the…
Shocking and sad. And there’s a wonder why religious orders are under investigation by the Vatican.
Tragic. This quote especially got to me:
Bray says he considers his and other pro-lifers’ presence as the true source of help for women, who often feel forced into abortions by their circumstances, or even by other people. “We have witnessed some pretty sad situations over the years of the women crying and literally being dragged into the clinic by those who brought her,” he said.
Where was Sister’s “peacekeeping” mission then? Why was she not standing up for those coerced against their will?
This is so sad. For all involved.
:crossrc: For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. :crossrc:
This “sister” sounds angry and unhinged. How was it that the Sinsinawa Dominicans put up with her antics for years? Indeed, it is high time that some orders need to be investigated.
Ironically, the person who taught us NFP many years ago was a sweet Sinsinawa Dominican who was a nurse. Sister Irene is likely spinning in her grave.
Let’s get the facts straight here. Religious orders are not under investigation by the Vatican. The religious congregations of women religious who belong to the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) are being investigated and the Legionaires of Christ. No other group is under investigation. All other groups are considered to be orthodox and in good standing with the Church.
Br. JR, OSF
Which congregations are the ones associated with the LCWR? I’m not familiar with that group.
Here is their website. I don’t know if it lists the congregations that belong. If you notice, men religious are not included and neither are the traditional religious communities of women, nor religious orders of nuns. The only groups being investigated are congregations of sisters, not orders of sisters, not institutes and societies of sisters, not secular orders of women, nor orders of nuns. This investigation is not as big as the media and some people on CAF have made it out to be. It only covers about 60,000 women religious from more than 100,000 religious in the USA.
Br. JR, OSF
Yikes, I didn’t even know there was a difference between a congregation of sisters and an order of sisters. I always thought those words were interchangeable.
LOL. Nope. They are not interchangeable. Each group has a very specific place in the Church and very specific bonds, rights, obligations, boundaries and lifestyles.
Religious men and women come in the following sizes, LOL
Women religious are either sisters or nuns. They are not the same.
Men religious are: monks, friars, clerks and canons. they are not the same.
The vows are not the same either.
Some communities make solemn vows and some make simple vows.
The governance is not the same either. Orders are governed by a rule and constitutions. All the rest are governed by constitutions or statutes.
Some communities are of Pontifical Right and others are of Diocesan Right. The canons that govern them are very different. Communities of Pontifical Right are subject ONLY to their major superior and the Vatican. Communities of Diocesan Right are subject ot their major superior, the local bishop and the Vatican.
Among women religious only nuns can make solemn vows. Sisters make simple vows.
Among men religious orders of monks and orders of friars always make solemn vows, the others depend on when they were founded. The Church forbade the founding of new religious orders after the foundation of the Franciscans in the 1200s. All other communities of men founded after that were clerks regular, canons, congregations and societies. They usually make simple vows, though the Jesuits are a society of clerks regular and they make solemn vows. Congregations never make solemn vows.
Religious in solemn vows may never own property. Religious in simple vows may own property if the constitution of their community allows it.
Religious in solemn vows may never express their opinion without the permission of their superior. Said another way, the superior can mandate that they reserve their opinions to themselves. We may not ask questions, unless we’re allowed to do so by our superiors. We must always obey. We have no voice in our future or the selection of oiur assignments.
Religious in simple vows have more flexibility in the area of obedience, according to the constitution of their community. It depends on what is allowd by their founder and their constitutions.
And yes, I’m a friar in solemn vows. I’m one of those who have no opinions, no options, no questions, no property, and no desire to have any of it. LOL
Does this help?
Br. JR, OSF
I think she should have been booted out of her community myself, especially if she is unrepentant which it seems that is the case.
I don’t think the Apostolic Visitation is connected to the doctrinal assessment of LCWR in any way; it isn’t an investigation/visitation of congregations belonging to LCWR, it is an investigation/visitation of apostolic congregations of women in the U.S. in general (i.e., I don’t think LCWR membership has anything to do with it, as far as I understand.).
I look forward to the results of the visitation & have great hope that it can help to get us all back on track and going in the right direction.
I enjoy your posts!
wow, I never knew it was so complicated. I always thought a nun and a sister were the same thing. How would you address a nun, then? Would she still be Sister Jane or something else?
A nun would still be referred to as “Sister”.
It’s not that difficult for us. Yes, you usually call a nun, Sister. They were always called Sister. When the first communities of sisters were founded, people did not know anything but nuns, so they called these women, Sister. The title stuck.
By the way, if a nun is Eastern Catholic, you call her Mother, not Sister. In the Eastern Churches there are no sisters. All religious women are nuns. What happens is that women who want to be active sisters join Western communities. Now we are seeing some Byzantine communities of sisters; but they are rare. Usually, they are houses that belong to a Western congregation.
Br. JR, OSF
Thanks for clearing that up.
If you read the article carefully, you should have your answer.
The first confrontaion with the Dominicans brought the response that hse was safely escorting the women, to avoid confrontation with “protestors”. That is as about brain dead an answer as could be cooked up.
Then, when the brown stuff was about to really hit the fan, we see an absoltuely 180 degree turnabout, and the good sister gets a slap on the wrist.
Oh, and then we get her response that it is totally her issue and response.
I know Rome does not micro manage the Church, and that is frankly o.k.; but one wonders at times if they are absolutely tone deaf. Well, at least now they have started to stir the pot. I only hope and pray they have a really good sized paddle.
Sr. Quinn has been active since the 1970s as a leading advocate of abortion, homosexuality, and ordination of women in the Catholic Church, and has been escorting outside the ACU Health Clinic in Hinsdale for at least six years.
since the 70’s she has been advocating these things :eek:
Seriously, it’s a scandal beyond measure that we have religious in the Church that get away with this stuff for 30 years.
Aside from what Sr. Donna is doing, which is wrong, the purpose of the investigation into the American sisters is not punitive. I can’t understand for the life of me how Catholics have turned so punitive. We’re not a punitive faith folks. We don’t hunt people down so we can punish them. We investigate situations so that we can help people find their way. There is a big difference.
St. Dominic, her spiritual father, was the first to protect his sisters when they sinned or committed heresy. I don’t know how may people know that St. Dominic founded the nuns before he founded the friars. When there were such situations in his order he woiuld command the priors to treat the sinner with great charity, because it was through charity that the Dominican preaches the Gospel. He debated the merits and failures of different positions, such as we do today, but he never approved of any kind of punishment for his spiritual sons and daughters. His approach was always very gentle, charitable and fraternal. Dominic believed that you change a heart through great love and humility. He didn’t even believe in the power of the argument. He was a preacher, not a lawyer. He had no use for lawyers’ tactics.
Like his imtimate friend, Francis of Assisi, he never pointed the finger at individuals in the Church of the time who were doing horrible things against the faith. Both Francis and Dominic always took the silent road when it came to the sins within the Church. Neither condoned the sin, but both had great compassion for the sinner. Both saw themselves as unworthy to point the finger at any priest or religious who sinned. They spoke about the sin, but they were charitable toward the sinner.
In his biography, Dominic is said to have only one sinner for whom he had little patience, those who disobeyed him. But we must understand that he had a legitimate right here. He was the Prior General. Even in those cases Dominic is said to have a lot of self-control over his indignation.
We need to cultivate the same virtues as Dominic, denounce the sin and convert the sinner.
Br. JR, OSF