O.K. We're FORGIVEN - NOW WHAT?


#1

We can be forgiven if we confess our sins. ( 1st John 1:9 ) But what about the effects of our forgiven sins?

Lets say I came to your house and I accidently broke a valuable dish. I apologise profusely. You say that you forgive me. But the effect of my action is that you now do not have that valuable dish. So I go out and find a similar dish, buy it, and give it to you. Are the effects of my “sin” wiped clean?

Consider some actual sins that we have commited. We have gone to confession, recieved forgiveness via the Priest from God, But do the effects of our sin linger? What do we do now? These sins were against God not another man. Do we have to wait until we are in Purgatory to have the “effects of the sin” removed?:bounce:


#2

[quote=Exporter]Consider some actual sins that we have commited. We have gone to confession, recieved forgiveness via the Priest from God, But do the effects of our sin linger? What do we do now? These sins were against God not another man. Do we have to wait until we are in Purgatory to have the “effects of the sin” removed?
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Having gone to confession, your sins are forgiven, assuming you were actually contrite. Though the merits of Christ’s sacrifice were super-abundant, he leaves behind some of the temporal (not eternal) guilt to chasten us (Heb. 12:7). What we do now is, like good sons, embrace that chastening through penance. In doing penance, these temporal effects of our sins are removed prior to purgatory. Anything chastening that we haven’t embraced by the time of our death will dealth with in purgatory.

Ex: A sin I have struggled with at times is pornography. By going to confession, the eternal guilt of that sin is forgiven. But some temporal effects of that sin are left behind. Typically, one such effect is that I am now much more prone to look at pornography again. My will is weakened against pornography. And that is a temporal consequence of my sin. By embracing penance (such as fasting), my will is strengthened against pornography again. And now that strengthening of will no longer has to be taken care of in purgatory. (Although there are doubtless a million and one other things in me that will need to be dealt with there.)


#3

It’s all about the mercy, my friend…If in the dish question the owner decides the replacement is good enough, then great! Otherwise, you’ll have to maybe mow the lawn, paint the house, etc…

No one can show mercy like our Almighty Father.

But, the pugation will likely happen, as that is our teaching…there is that whole indulgence thing, though!


#4

If my valuable dish you broke was a one-of-a-kind Ming vase, there is no way you can replace it by picking up something at walmart or an antique store, there simply does not exist a comparable replacement. In the same way, there is simply no human capable of repairing the damage done by sin, of offering atonement and reparation in the degree of the damage. Only the Son of God, become Man, sacrificing His life willingly, is sufficient. To benefit from that act of redemption we must be in union with Him and his redemptive action, which on earth happens through the Church and its sacramental economy.


#5

[quote=John_Henry]Having gone to confession, your sins are forgiven, assuming you were actually contrite. Though the merits of Christ’s sacrifice were super-abundant, he leaves behind some of the temporal (not eternal) guilt to chasten us (Heb. 12:7). What we do now is, like good sons, embrace that chastening through penance. In doing penance, these temporal effects of our sins are removed prior to purgatory. Anything chastening that we haven’t embraced by the time of our death will dealth with in purgatory.

Ex: A sin I have struggled with at times is pornography. By going to confession, the eternal guilt of that sin is forgiven. But some temporal effects of that sin are left behind. Typically, one such effect is that I am now much more prone to look at pornography again. My will is weakened against pornography. And that is a temporal consequence of my sin. By embracing penance (such as fasting), my will is strengthened against pornography again. And now that strengthening of will no longer has to be taken care of in purgatory. (Although there are doubtless a million and one other things in me that will need to be dealt with there.)
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Good answer


#6

Jesus took on all the sins of the world when He went to the cross.He has forgiven us . He has the paid in full stamp on us. :wink: Now He wants us to obey Him by keeping the commandments. If you love me you will obey me says the Lord. :thumbsup: God Bless


#7

[quote=SPOKENWORD]Jesus took on all the sins of the world when He went to the cross.He has forgiven us . He has the paid in full stamp on us. :wink: Now He wants us to obey Him by keeping the commandments. If you love me you will obey me says the Lord. :thumbsup: God Bless
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Spoken our Lord save us from hell we are talking about the consequences of sin.If I murder someone,I repent and am forgiven by God,that does not negate the fact that I murdered someone.If consequences of our actions were null and void now we would not have to go to jail.Purgatory cleans us of all the remnants or consequences that don’t magically disappear at the death of your physical body.Okay spoken your a fine pice of wood and a nail is a sin when you sin that nail is driven into you.You are very sorry for your sin and God forgives you and He takes that nail out,now whats left?A hole is left,a would from the sin.The sin was forgiven but the wound remains.God Bless


#8

[quote=Lisa4Catholics]Spoken our Lord save us from hell we are talking about the consequences of sin.If I murder someone,I repent and am forgiven by God,that does not negate the fact that I murdered someone.If consequences of our actions were null and void now we would not have to go to jail.Purgatory cleans us of all the remnants or consequences that don’t magically disappear at the death of your physical body.Okay spoken your a fine pice of wood and a nail is a sin when you sin that nail is driven into you.You are very sorry for your sin and God forgives you and He takes that nail out,now whats left?A hole is left,a would from the sin.The sin was forgiven but the wound remains.God Bless
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Hi Lisa,But Jesus paid the bill in full.No balance due. We sin ,we repent and we are forgiven. We put our hands to the plow and never look back.Just like the story of the prodigal son. He sinned against his father but he came back and repented. His father didnt say you owe me now. He took him into his arms and recieved him. :confused: God Bless


#9

If only it were that easy…


#10

[quote=SPOKENWORD]Hi Lisa,But Jesus paid the bill in full.No balance due. We sin ,we repent and we are forgiven. We put our hands to the plow and never look back.Just like the story of the prodigal son. He sinned against his father but he came back and repented. His father didnt say you owe me now. He took him into his arms and recieved him. :confused: God Bless
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No one denies Jesus paid the debt in full. We are fogiven entirely by Christ. What we claim is that, having paid it in full, God nevertheless chastens us. Why? That we may partake of his holiness (Heb. 12:10), without which no one will see the Lord (Heb. 12:14). So, even though God welcomes us back into his loving arms, totally forgiving us, we also see that God chastens us so that we may grow in holiness, so that we may one day see the Lord. The practical means by which this chastening is embraced is by acts of mortification, by putting to death the deeds of the flesh (Rom. 8:13), by disciplining our body to bring it into subjection (1 Cor. 9:27).


#11

[quote=John_Henry]No one denies Jesus paid the debt in full. We are fogiven entirely by Christ. What we claim is that, having paid it in full, God nevertheless chastens us. Why? That we may partake of his holiness (Heb. 12:10), without which no one will see the Lord (Heb. 12:14). So, even though God welcomes us back into his loving arms, totally forgiving us, we also see that God chastens us so that we may grow in holiness, so that we may one day see the Lord. The practical means by which this chastening is embraced is by acts of mortification, by putting to death the deeds of the flesh (Rom. 8:13), by disciplining our body to bring it into subjection (1 Cor. 9:27).
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Hi John, But isnt that what we do on a daily bases in our walk. Crucifying our flesh and dying to sin and attaching them to the cross. :confused: God Bless


#12

[quote=SPOKENWORD]Hi John, But isnt that what we do on a daily bases in our walk. Crucifying our flesh and dying to sin and attaching them to the cross. :confused: God Bless
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Yes.


#13

[quote=SPOKENWORD]Jesus took on all the sins of the world when He went to the cross.He has forgiven us . He has the paid in full stamp on us. :wink: Now He wants us to obey Him by keeping the commandments. If you love me you will obey me says the Lord. :thumbsup: God Bless
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Spoken, you have been misled to believe that there is no consequence we must bear as a result of our sinfulness.

That would be unbiblical.

For example:
2 Sam 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

14Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

That would be biblical.

If you engage in promiscuous sex, you may seek repentance and have your sin forgiven, but the VD that you contracted remains.

That would be practical.

Peace in Christ…Salmon


#14

I would say we carry our own cross and unite it with Jesus’ suffering…we don’t just pin it up on His like it’s a bulletin board.


#15

[quote=ppcpilot]I would say we carry our own cross and unite it with Jesus’ suffering…we don’t just pin it up on His like it’s a bulletin board.
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If Spoken meant something other than this, I retract my previous “Yes”.


#16

[quote=Salmon]2 Sam 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

14Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
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Same goes for Moses and the Promised Land. And there is a Psalm somewhere that says the same thing…


#17

[quote=Salmon]Spoken, you have been misled to believe that there is no consequence we must bear as a result of our sinfulness.

That would be unbiblical.

For example:
2 Sam 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

14Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

That would be biblical.

If you engage in promiscuous sex, you may seek repentance and have your sin forgiven, but the VD that you contracted remains.

That would be practical============================================. Hi Salmon, Dont you see that Christ is now the sacrafice that is offered up, :confused: God Bless
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#18

We suffer temporal punishment for our sins and we must be purged of our sins in Purgatory…a process in which we are cleansed and prepared to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. There must be a reconciling or debt paid for every sin we commit…and every sin we commit damages the Mystical Body of Christ…for Catholics, when we go to Confession, the Priest represents the entire Body of Christ and tells us what we must do in a form of penance to reconcile for the wrongs we have done.

Yes…we have been forgiven, but we still must suffer the effects of sin which is temporal punishment…and in order to enter heaven, we must be purged of our sins and cleansed in Purgatory.

[quote=Exporter]We can be forgiven if we confess our sins. ( 1st John 1:9 ) But what about the effects of our forgiven sins?

Lets say I came to your house and I accidently broke a valuable dish. I apologise profusely. You say that you forgive me. But the effect of my action is that you now do not have that valuable dish. So I go out and find a similar dish, buy it, and give it to you. Are the effects of my “sin” wiped clean?

Consider some actual sins that we have commited. We have gone to confession, recieved forgiveness via the Priest from God, But do the effects of our sin linger? What do we do now? These sins were against God not another man. Do we have to wait until we are in Purgatory to have the “effects of the sin” removed?:bounce:
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#19

[quote=John_Henry]If Spoken meant something other than this, I retract my previous “Yes”.
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Hi John,The Cross is not a bulletin board. It is more like a sponge that absorbes our sins. :wink: Of course I,m talking about Jesus on the cross.God Bless


#20

[quote=SPOKENWORD]Jesus took on all the sins of the world when He went to the cross.He has forgiven us . He has the paid in full stamp on us. :wink: Now He wants us to obey Him by keeping the commandments. If you love me you will obey me says the Lord. :thumbsup: God Bless
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and do not reject your mother’s teaching;
9for they are a fair garland for your head,
and pendants for your neck.
10My child, if sinners entice you,
do not consent” (Proverbs 1:8-10). :gopray:

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