Obama Announces New Climate Plan

Obama Announces New Climate Plan

natureworldnews.com/articles/2677/20130626/obama-announces-new-climate-plan-prioritizes-limiting-carbon.htm

President Barack Obama has announced a broad plan to deal with the effects of the climate change, specially the rising sea level and severe weather. The plan also seeks to put in place regulation to control carbon dioxide emission at power plants…[T]he plan outlines a blueprint to expand production of solar and wind energy and include billion of dollars in loan to finance the development of cleaner fossil-fuel and other energy technologies…

The Plan:
whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/image/president27sclimateactionplan.pdf

A good Catholic response (the plan is good, but what about also saving the unborn from abortion):
catholicecology.blogspot.in/2013/06/president-obama-and-future-generations.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+CatholicEcology+(Catholic+Ecology

Climate change that stopped 20 ears ago? :rolleyes:

The man is soooo arogant he actually thinks he can control the weather.

I like that the President stated that we don’t have time for the “flat Earth society”.

Maybe later he will include those who think the world is 6000 years old.

Folks may have problems with Obama but it is great to have a leader who acknowledges valid science.

And man walked with the dinosaurs right? :slight_smile:

In the 1960s and 1970s there were scientists, scientific journals and news reporting that there be a global cooling and even some predicting an ice age:

Scientists ask why world climate is changing: major cooling may be ahead

Little ice age predicted for Britain

Science news vol 107 -

The unusually beneficial climate of the past few decades may be denigrating, facing humanity with a new challenge to survival’

by John H. Douglas

sciencenews.org/view/download/id/37739/name/CHILLING_POSSIBILITIES

U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming

Times article

When meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe, they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

nationalcenter.org/Time-Ice-Age-06-24-1974-Sm.jpg

2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near

Newsweek article said

Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend… But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.

The Cooling World

I do not think there was a consensus among scientists about global cooling in the 1970s, but there were scientists that said it was happening for whatever reason and/or that cooling could increase in the future.

There are prominent scientists who debate global warming, whether it exists, if it exists what it could be caused by.

Check out the 16 scientists who signed on which signed on to this:

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html

There are real reasons to be skeptical of scientific claims about world temperature and people that are skeptical of global warming shouldn’t be treated as stupid.

:mad:
In the 1960s and 1970s there were scientists, scientific journals and news reporting that there be a global cooling and even some predicting an ice age:

Scientists ask why world climate is changing: major cooling may be ahead

Little ice age predicted for Britain

Science news vol 107 -

The unusually beneficial climate of the past few decades may be denigrating, facing humanity with a new challenge to survival’

by John H. Douglas

sciencenews.org/view/download/id/37739/name/CHILLING_POSSIBILITIES

U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming

Times article

When meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe, they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

nationalcenter.org/Time-Ice-Age-06-24-1974-Sm.jpg

2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near

Newsweek article said

Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend… But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.

The Cooling World

I do not think there was a consensus among scientists about global cooling in the 1970s, but there were scientists that said it was happening for whatever reason and/or that cooling could increase in the future.

There are prominent scientists who debate global warming, whether it exists, if it exists what it could be caused by.

Check out the 16 scientists who signed on which signed on to this:

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html

There are real reasons to be skeptical of scientific claims about world temperature.

In the 1960s and 1970s there were scientists, scientific journals and news reporting that there be a global cooling and even some predicting an ice age:

Scientists ask why world climate is changing: major cooling may be ahead

Little ice age predicted for Britain

Science news vol 107 -

The unusually beneficial climate of the past few decades may be denigrating, facing humanity with a new challenge to survival’

by John H. Douglas

sciencenews.org/view/download/id/37739/name/CHILLING_POSSIBILITIES

U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming

Times article

When meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe, they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

nationalcenter.org/Time-Ice-Age-06-24-1974-Sm.jpg

2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near

Newsweek article said

Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend… But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.

The Cooling World

I do not think there was a consensus among scientists about global cooling in the 1970s, but there were scientists that said it was happening for whatever reason and/or that cooling could increase in the future.

There are prominent scientists who debate global warming, whether it exists, if it exists what it could be caused by.

Check out the 16 scientists who signed on which signed on to this:

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html

There are real reasons to be skeptical of scientific claims about world temperature.:thumbsup:

In the 1960s and 1970s there were scientists, scientific journals and news reporting that there be a global cooling and even some predicting an ice age:

Scientists ask why world climate is changing: major cooling may be ahead

Little ice age predicted for Britain

Science news vol 107 -

The unusually beneficial climate of the past few decades may be denigrating, facing humanity with a new challenge to survival’

by John H. Douglas

sciencenews.org/view/download/id/37739/name/CHILLING_POSSIBILITIES

U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming

Times article

When meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe, they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

nationalcenter.org/Time-Ice-Age-06-24-1974-Sm.jpg

2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near

Newsweek article said

Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend… But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.

The Cooling World

I do not think there was a consensus among scientists about global cooling in the 1970s, but there were scientists that said it was happening for whatever reason and/or that cooling could increase in the future.

There are prominent scientists who debate global warming, whether it exists, if it exists what it could be caused by.

Check out the 16 scientists who signed on which signed on to this:

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html

There are real reasons to be skeptical of scientific claims about world temperature.:cool:

In the 1960s and 1970s there were scientists, scientific journals and news reporting that there be a global cooling and even some predicting an ice age:

Scientists ask why world climate is changing: major cooling may be ahead

Little ice age predicted for Britain

Science news vol 107 -

The unusually beneficial climate of the past few decades may be denigrating, facing humanity with a new challenge to survival’

by John H. Douglas

sciencenews.org/view/download/id/37739/name/CHILLING_POSSIBILITIES

U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming

Times article

When meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe, they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

nationalcenter.org/Time-Ice-Age-06-24-1974-Sm.jpg

2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near

Newsweek article said

Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend… But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.

The Cooling World

I do not think there was a consensus among scientists about global cooling in the 1970s, but there were scientists that said it was happening for whatever reason and/or that cooling could increase in the future.

There are prominent scientists who debate global warming, whether it exists, if it exists what it could be caused by.

Check out the 16 scientists who signed on which signed on to this:

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html

There are real reasons to be skeptical of scientific claims about world temperature.:eek::cool:

In the 1960s and 1970s there were scientists, scientific journals and news reporting that there be a global cooling and even some predicting an ice age:

Scientists ask why world climate is changing: major cooling may be ahead

Little ice age predicted for Britain

Science news vol 107 -

The unusually beneficial climate of the past few decades may be denigrating, facing humanity with a new challenge to survival’

by John H. Douglas

sciencenews.org/view/download/id/37739/name/CHILLING_POSSIBILITIES

U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming

Times article

When meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe, they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

nationalcenter.org/Time-Ice-Age-06-24-1974-Sm.jpg

2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near

Newsweek article said

Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend… But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.

The Cooling World

I do not think there was a consensus among scientists about global cooling in the 1970s, but there were scientists that said it was happening for whatever reason and/or that cooling could increase in the future.

There are prominent scientists who debate global warming, whether it exists, if it exists what it could be caused by.

Check out the 16 scientists who signed on which signed on to this:

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html

There are real reasons to be skeptical of scientific claims about world temperature.:mad::shrug:

In the 1960s and 1970s there were scientists, scientific journals and news reporting that there be a global cooling and even some predicting an ice age:

Scientists ask why world climate is changing: major cooling may be ahead

Little ice age predicted for Britain

Science news vol 107 -

The unusually beneficial climate of the past few decades may be denigrating, facing humanity with a new challenge to survival’

by John H. Douglas

sciencenews.org/view/download/id/37739/name/CHILLING_POSSIBILITIES

U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming

Times article

When meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe, they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

nationalcenter.org/Time-Ice-Age-06-24-1974-Sm.jpg

2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near

Newsweek article said

Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend… But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.

The Cooling World

I do not think there was a consensus among scientists about global cooling in the 1970s, but there were scientists that said it was happening for whatever reason and/or that cooling could increase in the future.

There are prominent scientists who debate global warming, whether it exists, if it exists what it could be caused by.

Check out the 16 scientists who signed on which signed on to this:

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html

There are real reasons to be skeptical of scientific claims about world temperature.:rolleyes::confused::stuck_out_tongue:

In the 1970s there were scientists, scientific journals and news reporting that there be a global cooling and even some predicting of an ice age:

Scientists ask why world climate is changing: major cooling may be ahead

Little ice age predicted for Britain

Science news vol 107 -

The unusually beneficial climate of the past few decades may be denigrating, facing humanity with a new challenge to survival’

by John H. Douglas

sciencenews.org/view/download/id/37739/name/CHILLING_POSSIBILITIES

U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming

Times article

When meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe, they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

nationalcenter.org/Time-Ice-Age-06-24-1974-Sm.jpg

2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near

Newsweek article said

Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend… But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.

The Cooling World

I do not think there was a consensus among scientists about global cooling in the 1970s, but there is not a consensus among scientists now about global warming. Some dissent that global warming exists and/or if global warming exists what could be causing it. There were scientists that said cooling was happening for whatever reason and/or that cooling could increase in the future and perhaps cooling did happen but there was not an ice age.

Check out the 16 scientists who signed on which signed on to this:

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html

Even those scientists who appear to believe in global warming, there appears to be conflicting views about those that dissent from the mainstream view on global warming. According to the following article some scientists are arguing it is primarily caused by natural processes, other scientists thinking the cause is unknown, other scientists thinking global warming will have few negative consequences

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

There are real reasons to be skeptical of scientific claims about world temperature.

Problems with Obama? Yea just a little bit. Gay marriage and abortions and now a war on American energy that means middle class goes into even greater joblessness. This over a phoney issue such as climate change. Sure glad Nancy Pelosi is a trusted Catholic.

Obama promised that he would make utility bills “skyrocket”, and he’s making good on his promise. No one should be surprised that’s he’s doing it, though many will be surprised at their utility bills in the future.

And this in what is more and more seeming to be the most energy-blessed country in the world.

He’s not acknowledging valid science if he’s refusing to consider nuclear power. Zero emissions, insane energy density per unit of fuel, low to zero impact on wildlife, and it works right now. Ignoring this option shows that this isn’t science, it’s politics.

No, because it didn’t. As the scientific community can confirm, climate change is still a problem and has not stopped.

At the time there had been a slight cooling from the 1940s thru late 1970s (or at least no warming as would be expected by the enhanced greenhouse effect). See the chart:

There is the natural process of glacial-intergacial cycles – but such a cooling would have taken many many 1000s of years and nothing to worry about.

The main issue for scientists was the aerosol effect from SO2 and particulate matter (regular pollution that make the atmosphere hazy, that is emitted along with GHGs) – that was known to have a cooling effect, but they didn’t know how much. A very few scientists were saying it could trigger a cooling. The earth systems are fairly sensitive to warming and cooling “forcings”; initial cooling if enough could cause more snow and ice to form, reflecting more heat away from earth, causing still more snow and ice to form – not a “snowball earth” as happened in the distant past, but more significant cooling.

To complicate matters, there was fear of a “nuclear winter” back then; if nuclear war happened, it could kick up enough dust to cause enough cooling to wipe out agriculture.

However, most climate scientists felt this leveling off in the warming back then was just temporary due to this aerosol cooling effect, and other natural fluctuations, and that the GHGs were more potent and that warming (not cooling) would be happening in the long run.

See an article in Science from 1981 (r/t Time & Newsweek) – the predictions are pretty good re what actually has happened, considering the science and computer power back then were not nearly as advanced as today: pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1981/1981_Hansen_etal.pdf
Also see: realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=They_predicted_global_cooling_in_the_1970s

For one thing, aerosol molecules have a short lifespan in the atmosphere – a few weeks – while GHGs have a much longer residency, about 10 years for methane (CH4) and over 100 years for CO2, and now they know a portion of CO2 molecules emitted today can stay in the atmosphere for up to 100,000 years.

I guess at the time in the 70s cooling was scarier than warming, so the media went wild after the cooling story and didn’t pay much attention to the warming story.

We should, however, understand that science progresses as time marches on, and should not dwell on science of 40 years ago when we have better science today.

Also the argument that global warming has stopped, or its cooling now is also bogus, with some of the same factors as mentioned complicating the picture – including the need to look at many decades (not just one or two); the natural fluctuation in solar irradiance (it’s been in a minima for some 15 years, but there has been no cooling back to pre-1960s level to match); increased aerosol pollution from China and other developing nations as they become developed; uptake of the warming in the ocean and ice-melting processes. See:
skepticalscience.com/global-cooling-intermediate.htm
realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/04/the-answer-is-blowing-in-the-wind-the-warming-went-into-the-deep-end/

Here’s a graphic that helps:

There is no reason so expect a cooling at this point; some scientists are even saying that earth may never again go into an ice age, esp since the sun is also gradually heating up, and gives off a lot more heat than millions of years ago. They even think the regional mini-cooling, as portrayed in Day After Tomorrow with the halting or slowing of the deep ocean (thermohaline) circulation, would not have much cooling effect in the north Atlantic region, due to warming overpowering that effect. However, new research does indicate we could get more negative arctic oscillations with global warming – bringing cold snaps north to south more often – killing my winter veggie garden and tropical plants :frowning: – instead of the more typical west-to-east pattern, leaving the arctic much warmer in places. This happening while the global average temps continue to warm.

Also, now there is mountains of evidence that warming will be having a net negative effect on life on earth, including on human life, so it really is a life issue, and any truly pro-life person concerned about the children and progeny will be taking it seriously and striving to do their part. The gov can only do so much, the bulk of the mitigation solutions will have to come from ordinary people.

I’m not totally opposed to nuclear, but there are some very serious issues with it – besides it exhorbitant cost. What amounts to genocide from uranium mining:

See “America’s Secret Fukushima: Poisoning the Bread Basket of the World, the Navajo and Great Sioux Nations” re Uranium Mines on US tribal lands - leaking radiation

“It is estimated that 60 to 80% of Uranium in the US is located on tribal land, mostly of the Navajo and Sioux Nations.”

truth-out.org/news/item/16752-americas-secret-fukushima-poisoning-the-bread-basket-of-the-world
youtube.com/watch?v=3-aEheBZ-JI
mixcloud.com/ClearingtheFOG/the-toxic-effects-of-uranium-mining-on-tribal-lands-with-don-yellowman-and-charmaine-white-face/

Uranium mining is also greatly harming peasants in Niger as well.

If they could really clean up their act and compensate those harmed (which would probably cost many $billions), then I might consider it.

Life and health trump people’s need to blow dry their hair :slight_smile:

Many do (have a problem), especially with his “war on coal” approach. Did his new plan include more crony kickbacks for ‘green’ energy startups?

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