Obama to request $500 million for Syrian rebels, other aid


#1

The president will also ask Congress to authorize $500 million to support moderate Syrian opposition forces fighting the militants.

“We need to train and equip Syrian rebels and other groups in the Middle East that need some help,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-NV.

live5news.com/story/26501066/obama-to-seek-500-million-for-syrian-rebels-other-aid

I listened to his Address To The Nation speech and wondered if others did?

It was only 14 minutes long.


#2

No, but I would not give money to any rebel. You never know who they will be later.

Better to not get involved. Force the UN to make a peacekeeping mission out of it.


#3

Seriously? Giving more money to unknown rebels? Haven’t we learned our lesson about this *yet? *(And I am referring to several presidential administrations, R and D.)

There are nations there with militaries–what’s the problem with helping *them *out? What makes the rebels better recipients than proper militaries?


#4

Giving money and arms to the Syrian rebels was initially a way for the US to conduct a proxy war on the Assad government, but since that failed we’re now going to just do the job ourselves. As far as your question goes, it can’t be simple stupidity. Maybe they’ve found it politically expedient to have radical groups armed to the teeth and running loose in the Mid East.:shrug: I know that the United States and Israel were both furious when Putin prevented their last attempt at war with Syria. Maybe this way they can be assured of always having an excuse to operate when and where they want.


#5

We shouldn’t be helping anyone out whether they have proper militaries or not. We don’t know what they’ll be used for.


#6

Speaking to political expediency…

The Islamic state isn’t an OPEC member, meaning that the oil they plunder from Syria and Iraq won’t be subject to OPEC price floors. Once that oil gets flooding into the market (And they have been selling it) worldwide prices could drop, leading to a favorable situation for the US.


#7

That’s interesting. It’s actually been alleged that they already have a few oil wells in Saudi Arabia, courtesy of some of their rich Saudi backers.

The following article, part one and two, was written by an ex-MI-6 agent who makes a convincing case that the ultimate purpose of ISIS is to destroy the House of Saud:

huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html?utm_hp_ref=world
huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-aim-saudi-arabia_b_5748744.html


#8

So business as usual then. I admit to knowing very little about the different groups in the ME, but who’s to say that the Syrian rebels will not join up with ISIS in the longer term, especially since changing their name from ISIL to ISIS - to be more inclusive.

More funds to the rebels just means more hits against Assad.


#9

I guess the poll in about tie. I usually listen if is something important like this as I want reassurance. It was a very short speech and I am not sure I trust what will happen.


#10

In terms of listening to his speech: I generally wait a day or two then read it. I find that way I think I get a better idea of what was actually said. i find the way he talks very distracting.


#11

The gist of his speech was that he declared an open ended war in the Middle East. He said he has the authority to act without Congress’ approval, which, of course, is a red herring, considering Congress/AIPAC has been lusting after open war on Syria for more than a year, and also because it’s 100% illegal whether Congress overtly backs it or not. International law very clearly states that no nation may attack another nation unless it’s in self-defense. Not to even mention the fact that President Assad is an objectively more legitimate ruler than Obama is or ever has been. Independent monitors report that 89% of Syrians entirely approve of President Assad and wish for him to remain their leader. Obama has never been anywhere near that. And obviously President Obama didn’t mention in his speech that Assad has been one of the most vociferous and outspoken enemies of ISIS since it’s very beginning, before it even had that name. So it was just that kind of speech: Obama grinning like an idiot because he knows he can do anything with absolute impunity. He can send drones into Syria to bomb the hell out of the Syrian populace all in the name of the war on terror, and he will never be impeached or made to stand trial in front of the ICC in the Hague.


#12

And another problem often mentioned is that the $500 million dollars, supposedly going to the FSA, may very well end up in the hands of ISIS. Instead of throwing away this $500 million dollars in Syria, why doesn’t he help the poor working class families who cannot afford to send their children to college. With more and more people working near the minimum wage, the cost of one year of college oftentimes exceeds their annual income, expecially when you take into account all the deductions. Why not have some compassion for these working class families struggling to pay for the water and winter heating bills? I know of a family who in the wintertime has ice on the inside walls of their apartment because they cannot afford too much heating. These politicians just don’t seem to care, but they can always find billions and billions of dollars, even trillions, to fight wars that go nowhere except to harm innocent children and other law abiding civilians. Why don’t they attempt to solve these political issues peacefully with experienced and educated diplomats working out the solutions instead of waging these murderous wars where children are being slaughtered?


#13

For goodness sakes, I do think that protecting people from being slaughtered by these murderous, conscienceless evilists is a good use for our military and our taxes since private armies are outlawed. It’s not like people of that type are likely to engage in reasonable political discussions.


#14

And just to be clear, I’d like to see us supporting and engaging efforts to end Boku Haram and all those other monsters as well.

And destruction by conversion is not out of my mind either, tho I do see it as unlikely.


#15

Isn’t that the problem? We have outlawed armies so that other nations cannot build military structures. We supposed to be the" good guys" and fight the battle. Only it costs a share fortune and none of these other countries give a dime or seem to care. It’s like it all up to us now.

Then we hear from our own government, well, we’re going to the UN. Huh! Did I miss something. Why even say it?


#16

You are forgetting that many of those who belong to the FSA (supported by the USA) have gone over to ISIS. Where will this $500 million dollars go in the end? Well, some of the rebels will join ISIS and take the money with them, others will be killed, and some of the money will end up in the hands of corrupt individuals. The rebels and ISIS have the same goal: they want Assad out. So it is counterproductive to give them $500 million dollars.
Please see:
especially starting at 13:50, Although the whole discussion is interesting the question of giving the $500 million to ISIS is addressed beginning at 13:50 or so.
youtube.com/watch?v=IQ2KzjNtDTc

Also, I am not convinced that a peaceful solution to the problem is not possible. I am in favor of peace and peaceful means of solving these questions. The USA has spent trillions of dollars on wars and what has been the result? Tens of thousand of innocent civilians and children killed. The situation in the Middle East just gets worse with these wars that seem to go on without end. War is not the answer. Professional diplomacy between the parties is the peaceful and the best way to solve this.
Do you really think that spending trillions of dollars on wars during the past 40 years has led to a more stable, prosperous and happy situation for the people and countries involved?


#17

I really, really don’t think you can solve the problems of radical islam with peace talks. It is a hate group.

The ME seemed somewhat stable for the ME before we took all troops out of Iraq.

Was there fighting going on, some people being killed, yes, but it was small in numbers and for a short time, it seemed like we have some stability. That is now gone.

The area now is a total mess and we are back to going in again, spending much more with no solution. When President Obama talks about the “War on Terror”. Where have I heard that before?

And the UN is going to help us, come on, who believes that?


#18

This $500 million is extra. We still spend a fortune on defense spending each year. We always have and always will.

wikipedia;;;;;;

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

When the budget was signed into law on 28 October 2009, the final size of the Department of Defense’s budget was $680 billion,

This did not include the budget for Afghanistan or Iraq wars

An additional $37 billion supplemental bill to support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was expected to pass in the spring of 2010,

So we should just let our people get their heads chopped off on video, let ISIS go about its recruitment and try and do “talks”??


#19

500 million is Obamas favorite number off the top of his head. Same number he used with immigration.

If I’m not mistaken one of the moderate Generals just left for Isis also. Pretty much how this works, and is part of this process with radicalization.

Boehner stated yesterday that though Obama wasn’t his choice for President he was willing to give him limited authority in training and funding, and support him. Members of Congress are split on the issue and thats both Democrats and Rep.


#20

No we always have and if we will continue remains a doubtful concern. You can’t cut spending and remain the top military in the world. We use to stay 20-years ahead of everyone. Not so anymore. If we continue our present path incidents will continue to occur with Russia and China. Today we are still the leading military in the world, China second and Russia third. We should keep it that way, its smart thinking which began during WW-II.


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