Ohio Christian school tells student to skip prom

FINDLAY, Ohio – A student at a fundamentalist Baptist school that forbids dancing, rock music, hand-holding and kissing will be suspended if he takes his girlfriend to her public high school prom, his principal said.

Despite the warning, 17-year-old Tyler Frost, who has never been to a dance before, said he plans to attend Findlay High School’s prom Saturday.

Frost, a senior at Heritage Christian School in northwest Ohio, agreed to the school’s rules when he signed a statement of cooperation at the beginning of the year, principal Tim England said.

The teen, who is scheduled to receive his diploma May 24, would be suspended from classes and receive an “incomplete” on remaining assignments, England said. Frost also would not be permitted to attend graduation but would get a diploma once he completes final exams. If Frost is involved with alcohol or sex at the prom, he will be expelled, England said

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great example to set. this dad should be real proud…

dad: ‘son i know we agreed to these rules, but that doesnt mean we have to keep our word’

son: ‘really?’

dad: ‘yeah. you should always do what you want. there arent any consequences to your actions’

son: ‘really?’

dad: ‘nope, do what you want and just complain until you get it’

Glad that their church rules specifically prohibit dressing up in formal wear, going out with your friends to a nice restaurant, and having engaging conversations near the punch bowl.:rolleyes: Most proms have other activities besides just dancing, if that’s so offensive.

that may be true, but at the heart of it the prom is a dance, and he agreed to sign on the dotted line to go to that school. and that signature included no dances.

have we as a society gotten such a sense of entitlement that we never see a problem with people being expected to follow the rules?

Oh please. The school has no legal authority to suspend him because it does not have the authority to extend any of the terms of the agreement off of said school’s property. I’d sue If it were my kid and they tried to suspend him.

I’m a little surprised this happened in Ohio rather than Arkansas.

I’m curious…would this policy extend to Christmas excursions to the Nutcracker? What about square dancing in the Ozarks…I’m guessing they probably have off limit novels and book burnings, too.

Sounds like a winning educational strategy to me. Wonderful preparation for living a virtuous, self-confident life in the real world.

if the agreement says the rules apply all day everyday whereever you are then they certianly do have the authority to suspend him. even at my public school we had rules like that-get caught drinking no more extracriculars for the year, part of participating was accepting that. now as a public school they still had to educate us, but a private school doesnt. this school gained that authority the minute he signed the paper agreeing to it. now for the record,

i do not approve of their rules
i do approve of their right to make them
i do approve of their right to enforce them
i do approve of keeping your word
i do approve of consequences for our actions

I do think that he and his father should have followed the rules. If they support dancing (which having been in dance since I was 5, I understand), maybe he should have gone elsewhere for his education.

That being said, I still find some of these schools to be very…interesting. Like Pensacola (spelling?) (a university in Florida); they have separate sidewalks for males and females, lights out is at 11, you aren’t allowed to be in mixed company except for church, class, and approved social events for very limited durations…the list goes on. I feel like some of them go a little overboard, but that explains why I don’t go there.

exactly. this isnt about a poor family in public school with no options. they chose this and agreed to it. if they did not like or agree with the rules they should have picked another option.

even now, why not transfer to public school if a cap and gown is what is so important to them?

Regulations govern many aspects of the residence hall students lives, including dress, hairstyles, cleanliness of residence hall rooms, styles of music (Pensacola Christian College (PCC) only permits its students to listen to classical music, traditional Christian music or Sacred music), borrowing, off-campus employment, and internet access.

PCC also has strict policies regarding mixed-gender interaction. Physical contact between members of the opposite sex is not permitted under any circumstance. Written permission of the dean’s office must be procured for all off-campus meetings between members of the opposite sex. In addition, all mixed-gender meetings (on and off-campus), must have a PCC chaperone present. Most stairwells and elevators on campus are segregated by gender. In the absence of being able to have physical contact, a fad has developed among dating students on campus where couples stare deeply into each other’s eyes. This practice by students is variously called “eye kissing”, or “optical intercourse” and is jokingly called “making eye babies.” This activity however is discouraged by the administration.

Other violations of PCC policy include the use of language considered profane or foul by the college administration, visiting movie theaters, patronizing unauthorized area businesses, being off campus after hours and being in another residence hall room after hours. Additionally, being in a residence hall belonging to a member of the opposite sex, the use of alcohol, or tobacco products, gambling, possession or use of pornography, engaging in any form of pre-marital sexual activity or any other actions considered by the college to be immoral, and engaging in social activities with members of the opposite sex as a group while off campus can result in immediate dismissal. The administration of PCC also reviews any reports brought to their attention of students behaving in a manner unbecoming of PCC ideals who are at home or away on school breaks while enrolled at the college.

:hypno::frighten::hypno::frighten:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensacola_Christian_College#Rules_and_regulations

Kinda reminds me of the Quaker Experiment at Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia where they were running things based on their flawed religious reasoning. One of the most disastrous prison stories I’ve heard.

That Christopher West is right; Protestant United States has too much of a puritanical heritage.

Catholicism, properly understood … is one of the sexiest of the world’s religions.

Yeah, we’re sexy! :yeah_me:

P.S. I hope Tyler has fun at prom. :smiley:

assuming he doesnt change his mind, then i hope so too, because i think this school is gonna stick to its guns and boot him.

The time to complain about puritanical laws was before this kid and father agreed to be a student at that school. It seems many are taking a harsh stance against the Baptists because they are…Baptists.

It is also interesting that people here glossed over the fact that for many, if not most kids, prom at a public school involves inebriation and pre-marital sex.

The principal is at fault for signing the form, thereby giving even the slightest appearance of his consent. If he wanted to send a clear message about the prohibition, he would have refused to sign it; therefore, closing any further debate. Instead, the teen and his father were given leeway with this signed document.

Hypothethically speaking, if this were an Islamic school, I wonder if the judgement passed by some of the proponents of this Baptist school would be harsher. Not that I support such schools, but there are extremists everywhere who impose their own interpretations of ideas through social institutions.

Similarly, we, Catholics protested when some public schools started teaching same-sex-marriage/contraception even though parents consented to that type of education when they enrolled their children in such schools. There is nothing wrong with finding fault in rules and ideas that may seem unreasonable.

There have been Catholic saints who opposed dancing. I heard the Cure of Ars, John Vianney, used to preach against it. Also, Elizabeth Seton’s spirituality was influenced by some of the French saints who preached against dancing. However, she loved to dance and couldn’t understand what the problem was.

You mean, like the rule in our Catholic schools forbidding the reading of Harry Potter?

Catholics schools have some pretty dumb rules, too, e.g., the rules about wearing sexy little uniforms.

There are some school districts (like ours) where the public schools are soooooo awful that parents must send their children to private schools to get a decent education and to be physically safe (assuming that they are not able to homeschool). I think that many MANY parents in Catholic schools have no intention whatsoever of forbidding their children to read Harry Potter. They find fault in the rule, but the rule still stands anyway.

My personal feeling is, stick to the rules while you are under another’s roof, unless the rules force you to sin (e.g., racist rules). And don’t make fun of the rules or disregard them. This teaches children that many rules are arbitrary, stupid, and can be disregarded, e.g., the rules about speed limits.

And so you just assume that ALL Catholic schools are that way because YOUR local school was like that? The local Catholic schools here certainly do not have such a ban.

That’s not very wise. To me, that’s like saying all priest are perverts because a few of them are.

Gotcha! :p:D

Heheh, but all kidding aside. Catholic schools do not control a student’s life outside of the classroom pertaining to personal matters.

i disagree. i think he used it as a teaching moment. he gave the boy a free will decesion, but informed him of the consequences. this kid won’t always have a school to tell him what to do, better to learn that actions have consequences over walking at graduation than in court someday down the road.

Hypothethically speaking, if this were an Islamic school, I wonder if the judgement passed by some of the proponents of this Baptist school would be harsher. Not that I support such schools, but there are extremists everywhere who impose their own interpretations of ideas through social institutions.

red herring. this this implying that myself and the others wo are advocating for following the rules are racist against another group so maybe our side should be ignored. i do not appreciate this.

Similarly, we, Catholics protested when some public schools started teaching same-sex-marriage/contraception even though parents consented to that type of education when they enrolled their children in such schools. There is nothing wrong with finding fault in rules and ideas that may seem unreasonable.

there is a BIG difference between a rule that ‘seems unreasonable’ and one that is unjust. unless the rules/laws in question are unjust we as Catholics are called to obey them especially when we are given the option and agree to it.

:wave:

:hmmm:

A liberal Baptist friend of mine had the same thing happen to her. Her daughter wanted to go, cried for days and went into a mild depression. (Our children’s minds are still molding into maturity in High School, and kids are still fragile at that age.) I told her this decision was not healthy for her child. This is an experience that was part of her schoolhood and one that was looked forward to all year with excitement and anticipation. I also told her our kids get a chance to dress up and be considered “adults” for the night. Something they complain about parents not letting them be. And more important, the kids who have self-esteem issues/lack of confidence get to plume their feathers and parade as if they were stars which help. Aww, lovely they are. I even look forward to prom. :slight_smile:

I know there are rules everyone should follow when administered and should be considered but I also think we should fully understand the rules before we commit to them. Flags should be raised if rules try to quelch our gifts that God blessed us with…ie: the ability to dance because of personal beliefs or religious.

Furthermore, didn’t :heart:Jesus​:heart: go to dances? :dancing:

Oh. My friend’s daughter went to Prom.:smiley:

x director of a mental facility in Texas and I’m a huge fan of smilies and emoticons. Can’t you tell? ha.

Why yes, Jesus did go to parties. :egyptian:

http://www.kofc.org/un/eb/common/images/convention08/weddingmosaic.jpg

I wasn’t alluding to you personally. Look at all the anti-Islam threads here. If an Islamic school were to be publicized for something similar, they would receive a lot of flak. Anyway, off topic.

Again, another red herring, Baptists and Islam are apples and oranges.

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