On the religion of Islam

Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964

“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

I pray for them to find the truth.

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Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar, known in history as ‘El Cid’, was one of the staunchest defenders of Christendom during the Reconquista of Spain and fought and killed many, many Moors. He also recognized that mutual antagonism was unproductive and sought to form friendships and alliances with Moors as well.

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The CCC contains our Catholic dogmas. Do you have a reason not to use the CCC to settle disputes?

https://answering-islam.org

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/islam/

http://www.answeringmuslims.com and the many videos of David Wood listed there.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/about/

http://formermuslimsunited.org

http://www.exmna.org

https://www.ex-muslim.org.uk

https://www.thespiritofislam.com

and of course hundreds more…

The Jewish view of God is pretty much the same as the ancient Hebrew view of God. Are you saying the Ancient Hebrews didn’t worship the same God as Christians?

I would start here:

Beginning Apologetics 9: How to Answer Muslims

The Crucifix on Mecca’s Front Porch: A Christian’s Companion for the Study of Islam

Not Peace, But A Sword: The Great Chasm Between Christianity and Islam

Inside Islam: A Guide for Catholics: 100 Questions and Answers

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In reading the OT and the NT one cannot help but come to the conclusion that they are talking about two distinctly different gods.

The god of the OT is very much in-your-face and a jealous, spiteful, vengeful god who thinks nothing of vaporizing entire cities- or drowning all but one family- as punishment for not toeing the line. Throwing Adam and Eve out of the Garden for making one mistake- and not even giving them the opportunity to make amends? What kind of a good god tells a man to sacrifice his own son- then laughs it off at the last second as a test of faith? Why would a benevolent god punish people for exercising their free will?

Then we have the god of the NT- an impersonal, very absentee god who is described as being all-loving and benevolent, just waiting for people to accept him so he can shower them with goodness and love.

Do these sound like the same god at all?

Either we have two gods or we have a single god who has some serious psychological issues.

I am sorely tempted- in the Manchaean line of thought- to think we are indeed dealing with two different gods- a god of dark (OT) and a god of light (NT) who are- and have always been- in conflict with one another.

(This does not take into account God as described in the Qur’an, as this presents God as somewhere in the middle. The Islamic view of God is that of someone still The Most Benevolent, but also perfectly willing to smack down someone if they get out of line.)

Fatima-Crusader,

Have you ever heard of Robert Spencer? Robert Spencer has written many books and lectures on what Islam historically and today Muslims believe about Islam.
His Lectures and books do not refute Islam, they expose the reality of Islam’s mixture of secular politics mixing with religion.

Another source I have looked into, are the ex- Muslims who have left Islam and live today under the threat of death daily, because ex=Muslims refuse to live under Sharia law, or have converted to another faith.

In these such sources you will learn the truth of Islam behind the veiled curtain that many leaders both religious and political fear to speak out and expose the truth about Islam.

When ever any religion mixes it’s religious faith with secular powers supposing itself to be following a deity, history proves always leads to many deaths, conflicts, hatred, anger and division of peoples, and speaks with a forked tongue. The bible gives such entities a name; "Anti-Christ.

Islam and Protestantism are the only two religious faith’s, In my opinion, that uses their religious platform to condemn another faith in order to convince non-believers, that Islam or a protestant sect is true. Islam makes the self claim to be speaking truth, again by condemning or knocking down another’s faith’s belief’s or practices, in order to sway an argument that Islam is truth, while the other faith’s have abandoned truth or never had it.

Google or you tube, Robert Spencer and Woman who have left Islam, ex- Muslims speak out against Islam for direct sources.

Peace be with you

Isiah 45

I am the Lord, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God.
I will strengthen you,
though you have not acknowledged me,
6 so that from the rising of the sun
to the place of its setting
people may know there is none besides me.
I am the Lord, and there is no other.

Hosea 13:4
I am the Lord your God
Who brought you out of Egypt;
you know no God but me,
and besides me there is no savior.

Matthew 11:27

“All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

That statement I find very puzzling; you will know ( do you ??)that there is only one God ( called God, Jehovah or Allah depending on your ‘religion’) ; bUT if you do care to read the Holy Bible and the Koran , you will find that one is a history of the Jewish nation culminating in the Birth of Jesus and the other is a series of 'revelations ’ that the \Prophet Mohammed is alleged to have received from the angel Gabriel ; The angel gabriel announced to Mary and she conceived by the Holy Ghost…the the angle gabriel spoke to Mohammed and gave him a different 'story?

Islam is based on the Koran and its stated revelations is it not whereas Christianity is based on the Life of Jesus ( hence the term Christian !!)

1 John 2

23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

24 As for you, see that what you heard from the beginning remains in you. If what you heard remains in you, you, too, will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life.

26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

Primarily - the Bible.

Secondarily - history and archaeology

Thirdly - their own materials (qur’an, ahadith, tafsir, tarikh, sunnah, imams, shia, sunnis, ahmedi, etc).

Fourthly - https://www.youtube.com/user/Acts17Apologetics

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