Once Saved, Always Saved


#1

I need a Protestant whose religion believes that once a person is “saved”, he is always “saved” to answer a couple questions for me:

  1. Explain the concept of “once saved, always saved”?

  2. What constitutes “being saved”?

  3. What happens if a person kills someone else for no reason after they’ve been saved? Will they still be admitted to heaven?

  4. How does a religion function without Confession and the forgiveness of sins?


#2

I’m taking this question to BaptistBoard.com

Thanks :cool:


#3

Pair a phrasing Martin Luther once one has excepted Jesus Christ as his personal Lord savior he could rape and pillage all day and not effect his salvation. :hmmm:

Welcome to the Church. :tiphat: You are in my prayers. :gopray:


#4

[quote=Harland]Pair a phrasing Martin Luther once one has excepted Jesus Christ as his personal Lord savior he could rape and pillage all day and not effect his salvation. :hmmm:

Welcome to the Church. :tiphat: You are in my prayers. :gopray:
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Thank you, Harland :slight_smile:


#5

My background is OSAS.

[quote=LeahInancsi]1. Explain the concept of “once saved, always saved”?
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It’s like physical birth. You cannot stop being a child of your father. If you disobey, you are chastened and trained, but the relationship is irrevocable.

  1. What constitutes “being saved”?

To pass from death unto life. It’s an event, the Holy Spirit takes up residence in the soul, sins are forgiven, and you get a new heart.

  1. What happens if a person kills someone else for no reason after they’ve been saved? Will they still be admitted to heaven?

Yes, but a person with a new heart is unlikely to also be a murderer, so it’s problematical as a hypothetical question. OSAS folks like to refer to King David, who repented because he was one of God’s own.

  1. How does a religion function without Confession and the forgiveness of sins?

OSAS folks are very big on confession and forgiveness, but they consider that to be necessary for fellowship with the Father, just like in a human relationship. A wayward child is still a child, but he can wander out of fellowship with his father through disobedience.

There have been half a hundred threads on this topic here and the arguments against OSAS are massive. As a Protestant, I encourage Catholics to distinguish sharply between OSAS and sola fide. Many, perhaps most, evangelicals do not believe in OSAS, which shows that the doctrine is not an intrinsic part of the Protestant/evangelical/Fundamentalist view of salvation and sola fide.


#6

[quote=LeahInancsi]I’m taking this question to BaptistBoard.com

Thanks :cool:
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Let us know what you find out.


#7

[quote=Elzee]Let us know what you find out.
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Whatever it is, it will only be as much info as she can gather before they find out she is a soon-to-be Catholic and ban her for life. :rolleyes:


#8

OSAS is an extremist view and not held by many Protestants in reality (even those who say they do, are incorrect to the true meaning of what they are purporting and under further examination find that they indeed do not believe in strict OSAS theology)

It is taking a principle tooooooo far and is erroneous
Just as Calvinism takes God’s sovereignty and foreknowledge, etc too far and has everyone predestined for heaven or hell at birth

To be honest, I don’t think even in my Protestant days I knew one person that held to OSAS in the extreme view.

Here are some examples of what scripture says on this:

I Jn 2:18 "Children, it is the last hour! As you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. From this we know that it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But by going out they made it plain that none of them belongs to us. 20But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and all of you have knowledge. 21I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and you know that no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ?This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; everyone who confesses the Son has the Father also. 24Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is what he has promised us, eternal life.

26 I write these things to you concerning those who would deceive you. 27As for you, the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and so you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, abide in him".

AND

Luke 8:11 ‘Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12The ones on the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13The ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe only for a while and in a time of testing fall away. 14As for what fell among the thorns, these are the ones who hear; but as they go on their way, they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature. 15But as for that in the good soil, these are the ones who, when they hear the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patient endurance."

as you can see some DO fall away - there had to be something to fall away from! You can lose your salvation by your own doing - by rejecting what you know is true!
Deception and lack of endurance, etc are reasons why people fall away - but as I John states this does not have to be the case if we abide in truth

remember: the race we run is a Marathon, not a sprint :wink:

I Cor 9: 24 Do you not know that in a race the runners all compete, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win it. 25Athletes exercise self-control in all things; they do it to receive a perishable garland, but we an imperishable one

Hebrews 12Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight and the sin that clings so closely,and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, 2looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the sake of the joy that was set before him endured the cross, disregarding its shame, and has taken his seat at the right hand of the throne of God.

Peace


#9

[quote=exoflare]Whatever it is, it will only be as much info as she can gather before they find out she is a soon-to-be Catholic and ban her for life. :rolleyes:
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That sounds kind of unfair
"Protestants" are Christians and people, too
There are plenty of non-Catholic Christians that are more reasonable in their views.

I was one.
I never demeaned or condemned Catholics when I didn’t agree with them and many like myself were only too happy to discuss and dialogue issues w/o fighting.

There are good things I learned from those days that will always be with me - I don’t regret them.

Peace


#10

[quote=Godfrey]That sounds kind of unfair
"Protestants" are Christians and people, too
There are plenty of non-Catholic Christians that are more reasonable in their views.

I was one.
I never demeaned or condemned Catholics when I didn’t agree with them and many like myself were only too happy to discuss and dialogue issues w/o fighting.

There are good things I learned from those days that will always be with me - I don’t regret them.

Peace
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the aforementioned board is not known for their tolerance of Catholic views, or Christians who are not OSAS I will add as well.


#11

Oh my bad :wink:

It is a specifically Baptist board - OK

Yeah, I was never a Baptist, but even in other Protestant circles they were well known IN GENERAL for a vehemantly anti-Catholic stance and even with fighting with “us” others.

Heh
Still, not all Protestants are like that - but yeah if I was to gamble, there would be hostility on that board almost certainly

Peace

(hope that person comes to check in with my other post - it would be interesting to see the responses from the board hehehe)


#12

[quote=LeahInancsi]I’m taking this question to BaptistBoard.com

Thanks :cool:
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I was thrown off that board for spreading Catholicism. :smiley:


#13

I just read this at that board:

[quote=Baptist Poster on other forum]I had thought Eastern Orthodoxy was very close to what we believe, but with some traditions kept.

I haven’t studied it though, simply looked into the basic ideas, which seem practically identical to the basic beliefs of some Baptist groups.
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:eek: :rotfl:


#14

Well, it’s been 27 hours and I can’t login.

They can easily kick people off who violate their rules of conduct, but it’s just plain cowardly to assume to someone with a discenting view is going to be a problem. They can’t stand up to the challenge.

For all they know, they might be able to convince me that their way is better, NOT! :nope:


#15

I went to the message board…Wow. Its scary!


#16

I received my response from baptistboard.com. See below:

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#17

Just reply asking for membership, as you’re not yet Catholic. You’ve got 12 long days to go! :smiley:


#18

This may be leading off topic a bit but since this is a OSAS thread and I didnt want to start a new thread, can anyone tell me if the assembly of God follows the OSAS doctrine? What protestants churches follow this? Or is this something that the protestant churches just leave up to its members to decide to believe it or not?

Thanks


#19

[quote=exoflare]Whatever it is, it will only be as much info as she can gather before they find out she is a soon-to-be Catholic and ban her for life. :rolleyes:
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Aint that the truth. :frowning:


#20

[quote=havemercy]I went to the message board…Wow. Its scary!
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No &*^% Sherlock! :eek:


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