One More question on the ban on Latin

Like in gaylord…could anyone please tell me what the poor parishoners are to say in that diocese in place of “Amen”.? English only obivous rules out “Amen”.

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Could you please explain you question? Amen sounds almost the same in all languages.

I believe this is what the OP meant:

Since “Amen” is a Hebrew word and the diocese does not allow Mass in any language other than English then does this mean that the bishop will require everyone to answer “So be it” or something similar.


The bigger joke is, Gaylord now also does not allow Alleluia, Hosanna, or Kyrie/Christe eleison.

There are some words that have simply entered into the English language unaltered from their original French, Latin, or Germanic origins… I guess I don’t see why (if the word is used often enough) this couldn’t be an example of something similar. You’d be able to find it defined in an English dictionary, no? (But yeah, the whole situation is kind of ridiculous…)

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: That is really something.

That was my point…

Why does he prohibit words which have been incorporated into the English language? :confused:

The ban is only on “hymns/songs” not on parts of the mass. So if a priests decides to start with the Mass with “In Nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti” and end with “Ite, Missa est” presumably the Bishop wouldn’t have any problem - so long as it isn’t sung. :wink:


Also it says that, when allowed, these hymns shouldn’t overshadow the English so apparently it doesn’t count if there is no English to overshadow (e.g. Spanish Mass, Vietnamese Mass, Latin Mass). :wink: :smiley:


This Is Retarded. No Bishop Should Have The Authority To Ban Latin Hymns/songs In The Mass. This You Should Definitely Write To The Vatican About This, As Well As Your Bishop. Latin Is The Language Of The Church. And It Is A Beautiful One, At That. Something Should Definitely Be Done About That.

Does that Diocese have Eastern Catholic Parishes which celebrate Liturgy on Greek, Russian, etc. ?

Ah yes, but they wouldn’t be sung you see - they would be chanted which may not qualify for the ban.

who decides which words are incorporated? It is my belief that the eintire latin language has been incorporated into the English language! Please present me the official directory that proclaims which words have officially been incoroporated into the english language…

The bishop is ANTI- Vatican II since VII encouraged the preservation of Latin. Oh by the way…what is the official language of the Latin Rite?

Does that Diocese have Eastern Catholic Parishes which celebrate Liturgy on Greek, Russian, etc. ?

Except for Russian Byzantine Catholics, all have their own bishops in the USA. There is, to my knowledge, only one Russian Catholic parish in the USA, and that’s in San Francisco, which is under the Roman bishop.

BTW–I’m not saying that nobody uses Russian liturgicallly, but it would be very rare, as Russian Orthodox use Slavonic liturgically.

In the Eastern Orthodox Church, we plain chant everything outside of the Divine Liturgy. ***

Thank you for the reply.
I believe that Aramaic was the tongue Yeshuah ha Meshiah spoke in.

Forgive me for speaking out of turn Abuna.

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Actually, I don’t know if you were being facetious or not, but there is in fact an official list of words not of original Anglo-Saxon/Germanic derivation. However, while English is structurally a Germanic language, roughly 60% of its vocabulary is of Latin origin (either directly or via Norman French) and a significant percentage comes from Greek and a host of other languages. Therefore, this bishop would have to ban the majority of the words of the Mass if he really wanted to be thorough. So if he is really serious, the priests in his diocese will only be allowed to walk up to the altar, maybe cough, and then walk back down. If nothing else, that’s guaranteed to get everyone out in time to watch football. :smiley:

Hmmm…let’s hope that the NFL doesn’t catch wind of this…

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